▲ 80 ▼ New Framework Desktop Option with AMD Ryzen AI Max+ Pro 495 and 192GB Memory (Gorgon Halo) (frame.work) submitted 3 months ago by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 67 points 3 months ago (7 children) 192gb memory: $127 million dollars. permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 11 points 3 months ago (6 children) Sooo, hyperbole aside, I did a quick search on the site of the retailer I last obtained parts through, right before the prices exploded, and their cheapest 1x64GB RAM DDR5 stick is about £2320. (Big assumption here that the motherboard only has four RAM slots. If you're going to cram 192GB onto it, you're going to need at least a couple of those, and preferably three, not 2x64+2x32, hence not looking at smaller capacity sticks.) As I write, eBay has one seller with a single 1x64GB DDR5 at a quarter of that, which makes me think they must be going by pre-explosion pricing, but it also has something at well over £10k, four times the other way (and more), so at least logarithmically, the stand-alone retailer is right in the middle. That means that this server is probably going to be well in excess of £10k when they finally ship it with full spec. If they're offering a warranty or support contract, probably around £20k. (Or £30k if they do the trick of simply changing the currency sign on a US dollar amount). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Pyotr@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (4 children) Not that it matters much since I think your math here checks out - but the framework desktop is all soldered memory, so no slots for memory needed. Likely some higher density chips used here than a 64GB DIMM stick. Point being, your estimate may still be optimistic! Still don't know why the company who prides itself on reparability and upgradibility even released a unit with unrepairable components, even given their latency justification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (3 children) The soldering decisions are confounding because of their mission. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) It was a tradeoff between replaceable RAM or high throughput. For this device they felt the performance was more important than the ability to replace / upgrade RAM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) It was more AMD than Framework AFAIK. Soldered memory is basically a requirement to run the strix halo platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 3 months ago They've used LPCAMM on the Framework 13 Pro. I did wonder if they were going to update the Desktop to do the same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plz1@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago It's not RAM slots, it's unified memory, built into the CPU/chip. ALso means you can't expand it later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 11 points 3 months ago (6 children) Sooo, hyperbole aside, I did a quick search on the site of the retailer I last obtained parts through, right before the prices exploded, and their cheapest 1x64GB RAM DDR5 stick is about £2320. (Big assumption here that the motherboard only has four RAM slots. If you're going to cram 192GB onto it, you're going to need at least a couple of those, and preferably three, not 2x64+2x32, hence not looking at smaller capacity sticks.) As I write, eBay has one seller with a single 1x64GB DDR5 at a quarter of that, which makes me think they must be going by pre-explosion pricing, but it also has something at well over £10k, four times the other way (and more), so at least logarithmically, the stand-alone retailer is right in the middle. That means that this server is probably going to be well in excess of £10k when they finally ship it with full spec. If they're offering a warranty or support contract, probably around £20k. (Or £30k if they do the trick of simply changing the currency sign on a US dollar amount). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Pyotr@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (4 children) Not that it matters much since I think your math here checks out - but the framework desktop is all soldered memory, so no slots for memory needed. Likely some higher density chips used here than a 64GB DIMM stick. Point being, your estimate may still be optimistic! Still don't know why the company who prides itself on reparability and upgradibility even released a unit with unrepairable components, even given their latency justification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (3 children) The soldering decisions are confounding because of their mission. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) It was a tradeoff between replaceable RAM or high throughput. For this device they felt the performance was more important than the ability to replace / upgrade RAM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) It was more AMD than Framework AFAIK. Soldered memory is basically a requirement to run the strix halo platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 3 months ago They've used LPCAMM on the Framework 13 Pro. I did wonder if they were going to update the Desktop to do the same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plz1@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago It's not RAM slots, it's unified memory, built into the CPU/chip. ALso means you can't expand it later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pyotr@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (4 children) Not that it matters much since I think your math here checks out - but the framework desktop is all soldered memory, so no slots for memory needed. Likely some higher density chips used here than a 64GB DIMM stick. Point being, your estimate may still be optimistic! Still don't know why the company who prides itself on reparability and upgradibility even released a unit with unrepairable components, even given their latency justification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (3 children) The soldering decisions are confounding because of their mission. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) It was a tradeoff between replaceable RAM or high throughput. For this device they felt the performance was more important than the ability to replace / upgrade RAM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) It was more AMD than Framework AFAIK. Soldered memory is basically a requirement to run the strix halo platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 3 months ago They've used LPCAMM on the Framework 13 Pro. I did wonder if they were going to update the Desktop to do the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (3 children) The soldering decisions are confounding because of their mission. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) It was a tradeoff between replaceable RAM or high throughput. For this device they felt the performance was more important than the ability to replace / upgrade RAM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) It was more AMD than Framework AFAIK. Soldered memory is basically a requirement to run the strix halo platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 3 months ago They've used LPCAMM on the Framework 13 Pro. I did wonder if they were going to update the Desktop to do the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) It was a tradeoff between replaceable RAM or high throughput. For this device they felt the performance was more important than the ability to replace / upgrade RAM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) It was more AMD than Framework AFAIK. Soldered memory is basically a requirement to run the strix halo platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 3 months ago They've used LPCAMM on the Framework 13 Pro. I did wonder if they were going to update the Desktop to do the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 child) It was more AMD than Framework AFAIK. Soldered memory is basically a requirement to run the strix halo platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 3 months ago They've used LPCAMM on the Framework 13 Pro. I did wonder if they were going to update the Desktop to do the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 3 months ago They've used LPCAMM on the Framework 13 Pro. I did wonder if they were going to update the Desktop to do the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plz1@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago It's not RAM slots, it's unified memory, built into the CPU/chip. ALso means you can't expand it later. permalink fedilink source parent