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Why is gun violence lower in Switzerland than in the US? (piefed.social)
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[+] -6 points 3 months ago (16 children)

Who's doing the shootings in the US?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    14-24 year old impoverished young men forced to live in urban hellscapes with no legitimate opportunity for economic advancement comprise the bulk of both murderer and murdered.

    It's almost like systematically forcing people into desperation results in profound violence.

    But yes, we should try to reduce the bulk of the violence by focusing all our attention on those rare and newsworthy cases where a privileged maniac adds a handful of privileged victims to the massive tally of systemically impoverished victims.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yes! This narrows the original question down to addressing some very tangible and specific problems

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Indeed. Systemic problems need systemic solutions.

    Home Ownership is the single largest factor affecting poverty rates. We need to drive everyone toward home ownership rather than renting. Renting should only be feasible for small-time landlords who live on one unit of a duplex, triplex, or quadplex. Apartment buildings should be converted to condominiums. Land Contracts (basically rental agreements with fixed monthly rates that automatically convert to mortgages after three years) should replace traditional rental agreements with their annual rent hikes. All that is easily achievable by offering owner-occupant credits to property taxes, then jacking up the tax rate on investment properties beyond a rate where renting could be profitable. With renting generally infeasible, landlords will be pushing tenants to become buyers instead, mostly through tenant-favoring land contracts instead of landlord-favoring rental agreements.

    We desperately need universal healthcare replacing our employer-sponsored healthcare standard, including optometry and dental coverage.

    Prison reformation: Prisoners need to earn at least minimum wage for their labor. Their spending can be restricted while in prison, and their saved wages released as a monthly or weekly allowance after their release, but their labor needs to lead to economic gains, or we are just creating recidivism.

    Universal Basic Income needs to be phased in. We can start with $20/wk for every man, woman, and child in the country, and increase it periodically.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Mostly white christian males

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Wrong answer but you are playing to the crowd and I appreciate that

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Most of the indiscriminate terrorist style mass shootings are white christian males, age 18-35, the majority of the criminal activity related (eg drug sales) is from black men age 18-30. Most of the gun deaths are from suicide, which is largely white men, but still high for black men.

    Most preventable child deaths in the US are from guns, however the vast majority from accidental gun discharge, not violence.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah none of that really rebutes what I said

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It wasn't supposed to

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm just going to repost my comment above because I think you should read it too and might not see it otherwise:

    Not here to participate in good faith

    "Good faith" here is saying that there is no correlation between institutional racism and gun violence? That the socioethnic group that's specifically been calling out for years about about the lack of effective policing and community investment is just... making it up?

    Did you actually think I was here to make some "muh fbi statistics" point and dip?

    The point that I was trying to make is that there is one minority group that commits the majority of gun violence in the US, which is young, black, opportunity-deprived black men. The biggest victim of gun violence is black men. The biggest perpetrator of gun violence is black men. The most common form of gun violence is black man on black man. The reasons for why gun violence is so prevalent have been well understood for decades at this point and are the legacies of segregation, white flight, and contemporary institutional racism. Acting like these aren't connected, that gun violence is something that happens at random with no correlation to social power structures, and that, as a result, black men aren't the specified victims of it (as both immediate victim and victim of circumstances (re: attacker)), accomplishes nothing and ensures that more black men will die, disproportionately, every day because you're too scared to identify an uncomfortable correlation.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I actually am very well acquainted with this. I did data analysis for the corrections system for almost a decade. Worked with universities, and other government offices, and bodies, on this subject, and it's surrounding subjects. I honestly know more about this than almost anyone who's profession never crossed into studying and analyzing this subject.

    This is not the place to be having an academic conversation on the material conditions that drive poverty, and centuries of intentional disenfranchisement, and how those result in criminal behavior, problems with education, recidivism, impulse control, calculated violence, and the endless other factors that play into this situation, many we are just starting realize even are factors. I haven't worked in it in about 10 years, so I am currently out of date outside of jaunts to update specific things when stuff like this comes up.

    if you would like I can recommend some reading though.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Over 60% of gun deaths in the US are suicides. Of the shooting deaths remaining, the overwhelming majority are committed by police. The overwhelming majority of "mass shootings" that are counted in statistics are committed by police.

    But I can tell you're not here to participate in good faith discussion; you just want to hear strangers on the internet say what you think.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Not here to participate in good faith

    "Good faith" here is saying that there is no correlation between institutional racism and gun violence? That the socioethnic group that's specifically been calling out for years about about the lack of effective policing and community investment is just... making it up?

    Did you actually think I was here to make some "muh fbi statistics" point and dip?

    The point that I was trying to make is that there is one minority group that commits the majority of gun violence in the US, which is young, black, opportunity-deprived black men. The biggest victim of gun violence is black men. The biggest perpetrator of gun violence is black men. The most common form of gun violence is black man on black man. The reasons for why gun violence is so prevalent have been well understood for decades at this point and are the legacies of segregation, white flight, and contemporary institutional racism. Acting like these aren't connected, that gun violence is something that happens at random with no correlation to social power structures, and that, as a result, black men aren't the specified victims of it (as both immediate victim and victim of circumstances (re: attacker)), accomplishes nothing and ensures that more black men will die, disproportionately, every day because you're too scared to identify an uncomfortable correlation.

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