‘For those of us with nothing to fear, the truth can’t come soon enough,’ the actor shared on X

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[–] 179 points 1 year ago (39 children)

We don't need your help here..

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (38 children)

    Right? Like we get it, you're not in the files, and you want to remind everyone you were acquitted and found not civilly liable of your own sexual misconduct. But "not guilty" is not the same as "innocent," and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.

    Basically the courts don't matter and all that matters is public opinion? And this is where you launch into a "the courts are corrupt" and "the rich never get punished" or some similar BS?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished? Trump and those 34 convictions that resulted in nothing already forgotten? Diddy getting a not guilty for the severe charges also forgotten?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished?

    Ekhm... Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are suddenly no longer considered rich?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The courts do matter, for legal decisions. They don't have the final say beyond that. Sure, you can use them as a data point, but the requirement for finding someone guilty for a criminal charge is "beyond a reasonable doubt" (aka, there's only a slim chance it isn't true).

    Socially, that isn't required. Usually we only care if it's more likely than not. Sometimes, depending on the severity of the accusation, a lot of people have an even lower barrier for taking it into account to effect their opinion of the person. For example, if there's some evidence that someone is a murderer, but not "beyond a reasonable doubt," I'm probably not going to hang out with them, especially alone.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What matters is what’s true, and the courts ARE getting more compromised every day. The rich get punished less, that’s the way it’s always worked.

    I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.

    I wasn't wrong though. You just agreed with that exact position. 🤣

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Point is there’s a spectrum of corruption and unfairness, and it’s getting worse. Guess you think the courts are perfectly fair and there’s no benefit to being rich? And I never said public opinion matters lol but fuck voting I guess, hooray for gerrymandering?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mate, are you saying that Spacey has more pull, or access to better lawyers, than Harvey Weinstein...?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    When it comes to matters of judgement, I use my own. The courts don't have to be corrupt for them to fail sexual assault victims, but yes there is plenty of corruption, too.

    Are you suggesting economics don't affect putcomes in the courts? Are you suggesting that there is no corruption within the judicial system? Are you saying that sexual predators always go to jail for their crimes?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is defending spacey really the creep hill to die on?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby’s and Weinstein’s.

    It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein…

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Different circumstances and different crimes, and especially different victims.

    Also, Weinstein and Cosby were openly assaulting women for decades. They victimized hundreds of women, and Cosby isn't even in jail anymore.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Kevin Spacey aside, you seem to be saying you don’t support the concept of “innocent until proven guilty.”

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You seem to be saying you don't understand the concept or "innocent until proven guilty." That applies to legal repercussions. It doesn't mean that a man with many accusations of sexual assault deserves the benefit of the doubt. I find the numerous accusations against him credible, and I found his denials uncredible. Especially when you consider several of his accusers have died under questionable circumstances.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I find any accusations aggainst any celebrity have zero value unless proven in court beyond all reasonable doubt.
    People who live off of lawsuits do exist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Except the accusation came from another celebrity, and started a very long time before the lawsuit. Going public hurt the accusers career, and after Rapp lost his court case, 14 other victims came forward. They all described, independently, the same pattern of behavior.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not when your remaining accusers dropped their charges against you after a few of them died in mysterious accidents after you put out a weirdly threatening video on Christmas.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Just say “no.”

    Principles that only apply when it’s easy aren’t principles.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You're applying a moral code to me that I haven't agreed to. You don't know what my principles are.

    This.

    Followed by this.

    Is highly suspicious.

    If my only choice in this matter is to either see his movies or not, I will not. On matter of Hollywood, it's best to assume that they're all guilty of something if their success outweighs their talent. Why does Jared Leto keep getting work despite being terrible to work with? Could it be his private sex cult island?

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I’m literally asking you what moral code you adhere to. Is “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” something you agree with, or not?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    They already answered you. They don't feel that all of Kevin Spacey's accusers actually got their "day in court" because there's evidence to show that they were coerced into dropping their cases, and for some of them they died. So no, "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" doesn't apply when we didn't get an actual conclusion to most of the cases. There's a vast difference between being found "not guilty" and "having charges dismissed".

    But apparently nuance is too much for you and you want simple hard fast rules that apply to everything. In which case, maybe read the thousands of years of moral philosophy dealing with that exact topic and see if you can reduce all of it to a single platitude. No one's done it before, but apparently your smartass is up for the challenge since you're the resident authority around here.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also, it wasn't only about the allegations with him. The dude made some bad PR choices as a result of the allegations that made him look like a shitty person whether or not he was guilty.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby's and Weinstein's.

    It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein....

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