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[–] 1 point 4 months ago (11 children)

Now imagine the rest of the world that couldn’t even vote and are suffering the consequences of something they didn’t have even the chance to vote.

Do you suppose things are great here?

By tipping, you are screwing them furtherly by allowing the owners to enrich without paying wages. Tipping won’t solve the issue, will perpetuate it.

Eating at restaurants that pay the tipped minimum wage of 2.13 an hour at all perpetuates the issue, regardless of whether you tip. Don't try to put an ethical face on being a cheapass.

The what? So I should move to the us from my country to tip some waiter and save lives?

Please stay right where you're at. Don't be a tourist, you'll give tourists a bad name.

I swear usians are expert in trying to guilt-trip others into solving their own problems.

I don't want you to solve my problems. I want you to stop blaming poor workers for the problems created by their oppressors.

I couldn’t care less about you all

You've made that evident by hating US workers. And only the workers.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (10 children)

    Do you suppose things are great here?

    Self inflicted pain. I would care, but my country and many others are getting screwed thanks to your pedopresident, so excuse me if prioritize.

    Eating at restaurants that pay the tipped minimum wage of 2.13 an hour at all perpetuates the issue, regardless of whether you tip. Don't try to put an ethical face on being a cheapass.

    I don't know how should I explain it so you understand that I live in a country where tipping is not needed because waiters don't need to depend on tips to eat every day. And, once again, it's not my fault that the owner is a piece of shit that doesn't pay their employees. I shouldn't be the one subsidizing that. Tipping lets the owner keep doing their thing. Stop tipping and after 3 days top you'll have a revolt among waiters that will solve the problem. But of course, that would mean inconveniencing them, and we can't have that. Better to keep doing the owner's job (paying the employees) and organize a "massive" protest on a holiday with angry texts in a board.

    Please stay right where you're at. Don't be a tourist, you'll give tourists a bad name.

    I've been in many places, but not as a tourist, I prefer going to other places and learn their ways so I can explore them as closest as possible as a local. However, there's one thing I'm not gonna ever do: selling my principles. And to visit the us, I should have to sell them really cheap so... yeah, there is an extremely low risk of me going there.

    I don't want you to solve my problems. I want you to stop blaming poor workers for the problems created by their oppressors.

    Yet, you side with the oppressor to keep alive the tipping culture.

    You've made that evident by hating US workers. And only the workers.

    I don't hate us workers, I just don't care about the us as a country because it's clear it's creating more problems than it's solving not only to themselves but to everyone. And that won't be solved after pedohitler croaks, because he made it clear that your democracy doesn't work at all and that there is a clear possibility of another trump happening again.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (9 children)

    If you eat at a restaurant that underpays its workers, you are perpetuating the problem.

    Eating there and not tipping is worse for the workers than eating there and tipping, which is worse than finding somewhere else to eat.

    The piece of shit owner gets your money if you tip or if you don't tip. They get none if you eat elsewhere.

    Show me how little you care by replying.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    Mate, I don't know how to make you understand that I don't live in the only "developed" country that makes their waiters and other service workers earn their wages from the tips. And that I don't have any intention to visit it.

    Also, keep tipping, the owner class must be really happy that you cover their labor expenses.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Mate, I don’t know how to make you understand that I don’t live in the only “developed” country that makes their waiters and other service workers earn their wages from the tips.

    I understand you're from another country. It's why you blame every worker (and only the workers) in the US for trump.

    I know there is absolutely nothing that will make you understand that being a cheap piece of shit who doesn't tip isn't the moral choice. It's just being a cheap piece of shit. If you want to make the moral choice (there's no chance of that, ever.) you stay away from the places that underpay their employers.

    And that I don’t have any intention to visit it.

    That makes me so happy.

    Also, keep tipping, the owner class must be really happy that you cover their labor expenses.

    They don't care if the expense of labor is covered. They're supposed to make up for any deficit caused by shitty people who don't tip, but wage theft is the most common crime in the US for a reason. I'm sure you believe that's the evil workers' fault too.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I understand you're from another country. It's why you blame every worker (and only the workers) in the US for trump.

    What? No, I blame the usians. I mean, I can't blame French people for trump? Only the us voted in that election.

    I know there is absolutely nothing that will make you understand that being a cheap piece of shit who doesn't tip isn't the moral choice. It's just being a cheap piece of shit. If you want to make the moral choice (there's no chance of that, ever.) you stay away from the places that underpay their employers.

    Indeed, I'm making the moral choice by not going to the us, the place where workers have more in common with slaves than in any other developed country. On the other hand, you sound like a restaurant owner that's salty because there's someone not tipping.

    They don't care if the expense of labor is covered. They're supposed to make up for any deficit caused by shitty people who don't tip, but wage theft is the most common crime in the US for a reason. I'm sure you believe that's the evil workers' fault too.

    So by not tipping I'm making the owner actually pay their employees? And you say that it won't happen because the owner is a piece of shit? Wow that's... totally not a problem for me. Do you expect to conquer any rights just by writing angry words on a banner? Do you really think the poor capitalist class will just give you anything you ask if you do it politely? Stop tipping. It will be hard at fist, but if that's what get the people to actually do something, it will be worth it.

    But who am I fooling? You'll just keep whinning about how unfair is this to you doing absolutely nothing to change the system.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Oh! I see! You're operating under the assumption that tips are paid to the owner! They're paid to the workers, often directly. It's usually advisable to tip in cash because tipping via card makes it easier for employers to steal from their employees.

    So by not tipping I’m making the owner actually pay their employees?

    Up to the non-tipped minimum wage. A good shift with tips brings in more than that.

    And you say that it won’t happen because the owner is a piece of shit? Wow that’s… totally not a problem for me.

    Of course it isn't. It's wage theft and you obviously celebrate it.

    Do you really think the poor capitalist class will just give you anything you ask if you do it politely? Stop tipping.

    The capitalist class won't care if you don't tip. They make the same either way. You're determined not to understand this. The way to hurt the owners is to boycott the restaurant entirely. It's a dick move to eat there, have a waiter serve you, and then not leave a tip. The only person you're harming in that case is the worker. Which seems to be a preferable situation for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    Oh! I see! You're operating under the assumption that tips are paid to the owner! They're paid to the workers, often directly. It's usually advisable to tip in cash because tipping via card makes it easier for employers to steal from their employees.

    You talk as if the waiters were not employed by the owner of the restaurant. All the money I tip to a waiter is money the owner doesn't have to pay to their employee so yeah, all that money I tip, is money the owner earns by not paying an employee. In the developed world, waiters have a salary and don't need tips to live. And, weirdly, the owners of the restaurants are doing just fine.

    Up to the non-tipped minimum wage. A good shift with tips brings in more than that.

    If you pay your employees a decent living wage, they'll be happy to work there and will offer a great service. It might be difficult to understand to you, but people tend to work better if they are paid properly without depending on customer's charity.

    The capitalist class won't care if you don't tip. They make the same either way. You're determined not to understand this. The way to hurt the owners is to boycott the restaurant entirely. It's a dick move to eat there, have a waiter serve you, and then not leave a tip. The only person you're harming in that case is the worker. Which seems to be a preferable situation for you.

    That's the part you fail to get: stop tipping and service workers won't get paid. That ends in two different ways: the restaurants close by lack of service personnel (who will naturally refuse to work for free). or the owners start paying a living wage to stay open. Do it nationally and you'll solve the tipping problem extremely fast. If there's something capitalists hate, that's losing money. And a restaurant closed means no money.

    But hey, keep tipping, owner class is really happy with you paying for what, in the developed world, has to be paid by the employer.

    Nothing says USA more than defending that the capital shouldn't pay the workers.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    That’s the part you fail to get: stop tipping and service workers won’t get paid.

    Sounds like what you want in all cases.

    We're done here. We're just talking in circles. You think not tipping is moral, and I think it isn't.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Seems you ran out of excuses. If the only way to "attack" me is to misquote a single sentence and pretend to think that's what I'm defending, you already lost. Looks like I was right, you're just a restaurant owner who's salty because if people don't tip, you'll lose money. Hope that happens soon!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Jesus Christ dude. No, I don't own a restaurant. I just have smarter brick walls to interact with.

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