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Adults Broke The Internet, And They’re Trying To Fix It By Kicking Kids Off (www.techdirt.com)
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[–] 5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

The thing is, when you offload the need to have these capabilities yourself, that's what opens us to corporate capture.

The path that starts with "well wouldn't it just be convenient if...", ends with the people proving now basically necessary conveniences, owning you

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm struggling to imagine how putting slightly more effort into a more user friendly install process is a slippery slope to corporate capture

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Cool freedom internet -> lets chase ease of use and mass appeal -> every tom dick johanne and susy join -> shitpost facebook internet

    Cool freedom internet -> requires using SOME modicum of brain power and ability -> Cool freedom internet

    on a serious note, in a lot of these discussions you all start with the assumption that the masses want a freedom net and can handle a freedom net. you just need to look at the current internet fully supported by and shaped by the masses choices to understand why that is faulty.

    No one forced mass social media adoption, it was willingly chosen, and continues to be chosen despite the known and publicized(mainstream news) dangers/issues

    the ability to exit back to personal sites, etc was always there. inb4 "people have no personal responsibility and they were held at gunpoint"

    so let people sit in their piss pool happily, stop trying to advocate for them, the ones that truly want change will make it happen.

    In comparison, the daily time spent with social media in the U.S. was just 2 hours and 16 minutes.

    so you're telling me people can spend 2 hours a day on social media, but cant take the time to learn "pip install" to gain back their tech sovereignty, that they supposedly care about, do they even care???

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Personally I favor destruction and replacement of the corporate web over the hypothetical integrity of a non facebook shitpost internet, and the former requires mass adoption. Whatever people happen to care about and prefer, that's what is there to work with, and taking an instrumental approach to getting their attention and building their habits is how mass social media adoption was achieved.

    That said, I'm reading about Reticulum and it looks like the first thing it's trying to be is an underlying software library that other applications can be built on top of, and has pretty sensible priorities, so it's fine if a really streamlined user experience for it doesn't exist yet, that doesn't need to be the very first step.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If you don't know how to interact with the backup internet sovereignly, if you require a company as a middle man, that middle man has a degree of power over you.

    That degree only grows as the tech becomes more complex. Requiring more people to use more middle men, etc, etc

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    I mean almost the opposite of that. I mean that clearly we need to teach people how to engage with the internet in a sovereign way or else they are going to just eventually be captured again by opportunistic capitalists.

    You keep saying "the developers" or implying that someone ELSE out there should be responsible for making this easier, which is the part I find baffling.

    People are currently out there doing that, it's getting better every day because people are building new solutions.

    If you want something to change for the better within this ecosystem then it YOU that needs to do it, or at least you are certainly empowered to do it.

    You passively waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to make a solution for you is the problem. If that someone else is a hobbyist who builds foss software for fun, the risks are pretty low and the chances of you reverse engineering and understanding of what's going on are pretty high.

    If you are waiting for a polished radio button to click that unfolds the second internet cleanly in front of you, I would argue you are basically waiting for a corporate solution where someone is going to want compensation from you for your efforts. Which is also TOTALLY FINE.

    the issue is, when those corporate solutions grow and become less transparent and more necessary for the average user, that's how we get the CURRENT internet.

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