So I posted an article from al Arabiya about Christian villages denying that they asked Netanyahu to annex their villages on World News@lemmy.world.

Jordanlund removed it simply because he don't like the source. Yet he has no problem with articles from Saudi backed Iranian media https://irannewswire.org/ that also celebrate the terrorist group the MEK that sell out their country to side with Saddam and has no problem with israeli sources that deny the obvious genocide.

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[–] [S] 12 points 4 months ago (50 children)

No they wasn't clear. Nothing in the rule mention using a specific fact check to determine what should be allowed or not . If you have no proof that the news is a lie you can't simply remove it

Being an asshole to the mod, no matter who they are, doesn’t help.

I admit I got carried away

My communities are small but you’re welcome to post to them as long as you follow the guidelines.

Your guideline regarding credibility of the source is as vague as worldnews.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (49 children)

    I clarify it in the asterisk but credibility is vague. I use fact-checking sources but don't rely on them fully because even fact-checks can have a bias. If you know of a better way to moderate a news community I'd genuinely like to hear it.

    edit: World news links mediabias and an article on propaganda in their sidebar. It's easy to infer that's how they judge content.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (48 children)

    Moderate based on individual articles. Do the specific article pushed a lie and defend the in defensive like genocide, colonization, war crimes etc

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (38 children)

    That is what I do because I have less than 2k subscribers across all my communities, but I need to say something in the sidebar related to how I verify an article and how to determine what's a lie, which is where fact-checks come in.

    Defending colonization, war crimes and genocide are fuzzy lines to draw. Sometimes news is spun by omitting facts, so an article that seems harmless can be subliminally pro-isreal when given context.

    The point is, it's very hard to verify sources on that level for as big a community as World.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (37 children)

    Everybody knows a source like timesofisrael deny genocide yet it is allowed but an source like an arabiya is not. It is pure hypocrisy

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I never said I agreed with their methods. According to the fact checking link in their sidebar your souce isn't trustworthy. Again, I don't support it, but I do understand why they use mediabias to check sources.

    I fully support making more, smaller news communities to get a greater diversity of media on lemmy, and encourage you to either post to them or make your own.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (33 children)

    I have to admit to doing a doubletake every time timesofisrael comes up. "That cannot be legit, right?"

    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/times-israel-media-bias

    "After a discussion including other team members, AllSides reviewers did not find The Times of Israel to exhibit strong bias in favor of Israel in its news coverage of Israel's war with Hamas. The publication did refer to Hamas members as "terrorists" and some of their statements or media as "propaganda," however did not appear to frame things in a way that is overly favorable to the Israeli establishment or Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu either."

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/

    "Overall, we rate the Times of Israel as Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them as Mostly Factual rather than High due to one-sided pro-Israel reporting regarding Palestine. (D. Van Zandt 12/5/2016) Updated (12/13/2024)"

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 4 months ago (32 children)

    Again who gave any of those sites authority. Why you can't use your own brain to determine what it look like biased or not with actual proofs regarding a specific article. Yes a source that deny facts like the genocide in gaza is not legit

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (30 children)

    More people give them authority than have given YOU authority. 😉

    They are the go-to sites on media reliability, just because you don't personally agree doesn't make it so.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Name those people. Your sources doesn't have any evidence of biases towards lebanon

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Ground News for one, as previously noted:

    https://ground.news/interest/iran-news-wire

    "The Ground News media bias check for Iran News Wire is unknown. Scores are assigned by aggregating bias scores from Ad Fontes Media, Media Bias/Fact Check, and AllSides.

    Is Iran News Wire credible or reliable? Our Factuality score answers both of those questions. When it comes to Iran News Wire, we’ve assigned a Unknown factuality rating. Ratings are assigned by aggregating scores from Ad Fontes Media and Media Bias/Fact Check."

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    What a stupid dogmatic person you are

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No. He knows fully well what he's doing. Dogmatic, yes.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It is dogma to take fact checkers at face values whrn we ask you to use your brain and your own judgment you can't do it. I showed you how the source are sympatic to traitors and terrorists and you simply ignored it

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    Because, again, you're trying to lie your way in to being allowed to use inherently invalid sources.

    Think of it like this:

    You find a REALLY juicy story and you REALLY want to post it... But the only source is The New York Post.

    Are you going to post it anyway and then argue like a little bitch when it gets removed?

    Or, OR would you rather go "Hmm... Seems too good to be true, lets see who else is covering this..." and submit that instead.

    Particularly when a mod tells you "No, not that source, try again."

    The story carries way more weight coming from a legitimate source than a fantasy source and if the goal is to get the story noticed and accepted, which should be what EVERYONE wants, you, me, and everyone else in the community.

    You do not want the reaction of "Yeah, but it's a bullshit site."

    You would rather force your agenda, have it get removed when it breaks the rules of the community, and then argue over simply finding a better source.

    Because finding a better source doesn't fit your agenda. 😉

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Are you going to post it anyway and then argue like a little bitch when it gets removed?

    Jordan, your shadow shows to everyone but you. I'd hope having had a close call with ending, I'd focus on making peace with my schismed self, rather than power tripping on the internet, to keep from facing myself and my mortality.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    I would think of the multiple mods and admins with the capability, a script would be easy enough to write and implement. If there was integrity and will.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    We had it, people hated it, so we removed it.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Because it was Mbfc.

    Some integrity would be appreciated.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    We looked at other options which were a) automated and b) free to implement. For one reason or another it didn't work out.

    But there's nothing wrong with MBFC outside the minds of a few radicals on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Zero integrity. The arguments have been well made multiple times. This is just outright lying. And this is why no one trusts anything you say.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Not "no one" and as noted in my reply to Mr. Down, they are one of the experts on bias and credibility cited by other sources.

    People are free to disagree, but they all come across like the Trumpies trying to argue that Snopes or Factcheck.org are biased. Or that reality is biased. 😆

    https://ground.news/interest/iran-news-wire

    "The Ground News media bias check for Iran News Wire is unknown. Scores are assigned by aggregating bias scores from Ad Fontes Media, Media Bias/Fact Check, and AllSides.

    Is Iran News Wire credible or reliable? Our Factuality score answers both of those questions. When it comes to Iran News Wire, we’ve assigned a Unknown factuality rating. Ratings are assigned by aggregating scores from Ad Fontes Media and Media Bias/Fact Check."

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Zionazis trust zionazis. Damn Jordan, if you want to be evil, just own it.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Nothing Zionist in my comments. I stand by everything I say attacking Israel and demanding war crimes tribunals.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Defending Israel and tone policing people calling out Israel's atrocity makes you a Zionist. Making neoliberal excuses in favor of Israel in any way makes you a Zionist. You might've been able to get people to believe your lies and misdirection elsewhere but people here aren't buying it.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No, it doesn't. As a moderator, I enforce the clearly marked mission statements of the community.

    Where those mission statements conflict with your notion of what is of is not appropriate in the discussion of Israel is not relevant.

    When someone breaks the rules of the community, regardless of the position on Israel, the rules of the community come first.

    Putting my opinion of "Yeah, but Israel are assholes, this time it's OK" would make me the bad moderator everyone accuses me of.

    The reason communities have rules is to take the personal opinion out of it.

    So, someone makes a post:

    1. Is it a banned topic? (Posting US internal news in World for example).

    2. Is it a banned category? (Blog site, twitter, youtube, self post, image post).

    3. Is the source a legitimate source? Tools to identify legitimate from illegitimate provided.

    4. Does it link to the original source and does the headline match?

    Pass all four bars and we are all good. These are incredibly simple "Yes/No" gates, the rules are posted and documented.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I just don't believe you, I'm not keen on believing dishonest neoliberals. There's a reason you've earned the reputation you've earned and I've seen the evidence presented against you. There is nothing you could say that would make me believe otherwise.

    Whether you like it or not, being a Zionist apologist is not dependent on you accepting the term or even understanding you are one. It's dependent on your behavior and your apologizing for Israel. Yes, liberal tone-policing discussion about genocide does count.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I never said the fact checkers are biased. I said they have zero autority with their obscure factchecking teams. You are a dogmatic person who can't think by himself

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Those three agencies are the industry standard for determining bias and credibility. You just can't handle that 2/3 of them call your sources bullshit, and all three say the site you complain about being allowed does not have enough data.

    All you had to do, literally, ALL you had to do was find better sources and the posts would have been allowed.

    Instead, you decided to send angry PMs.

    Look, here's how easy it is:

    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/07/05/netanyahu-says-some-lebanese-christian-villages-asked-to-be-annexed-by-israel_6755174_4.html

    You DO know who Le Monde is, right? I found this in literally seconds.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    Who decided they are industry standards? Why should i be forced to use your sources? Le monde has a ton of problematic content and controversies

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/10/le-monde-journalists-warn-of-threat-to-editorial-independence

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Le Monde is one of three French "Newspapers of Record":

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record

    As for who put AllSides, MediaBias Fact Check and Ad Fontes in charge of determining real from fake news on the Internet? Well, the same people who put Snopes and FactCheck.org in charge of fact checking.

    It's a collective decision made by most thinking people on the Internet including other news organizations and institutions of higher education.

    Which makes sense that you would reject it.

    So when someone like this says "Go here:"

    https://library.skagit.edu/medialiteracy/journalism

    You can pretty much take them at their word. And when 2 out of three bias sites call you out on your bullshit and the only reason the 3rd one doesn't is because of a paywall, you have two choices:

    1. Find a better source, as offered.

    OR, your choice:

    1. GTFO
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  • [+] -9 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    We are unpaid volunteers with actual lives outside Lemmy, we don't have time to read each individual article. This is why fact checking sites exist.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Mediabiasfactcheck is a poor measure.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You have a lot of times defending your self in this community but no time to be fair

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I was fair, I told you twice to find better sources.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You are not fair. You remove an article without any evidence of propaganda or lies. Your fact check do not mention a single example of el Arabiya biases towards Lebanon

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    alarabiya.net

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-arabiya/

    "Overall, we rate Al Arabiya as Questionable due to excessive government censorship that results in the publication of pro-state propaganda. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to the omission of key facts in stories.  (8/16/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 10/06/2023)"

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