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Is they're an easy way to make my Jellyfin accessible outside of my home network for free? (anarchist.nexus)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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I have docker installed, but only have a vague idea of how it works.

Back in the day, I would just port forward, but even then, I would need a static IP somehow.

I have heard a reverse proxy is an option, but that is an entirely new topic to me.

Surely there is an easy way to access Jellyfin outside of my home network that I'm just missing.

*Edit: I am blown away by all the help and support! I currently have tailscale running, and I'm in the process of purchasing a domain.

Thanks everyone!

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[–] 25 points 4 months ago (31 children)

Personally I didn’t want to have to hand out VPN credentials to everyone, so I went with a cloudflare tunnel with Authelia as the method of authentication.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (30 children)

    +1 for Cloudflare Tunnels/Zero Trust. The free tier is more than generous for a homelab

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Not to mention, the amount of data you can run through it is nuts. I’ve been running Stremio web through it for months without issue to watch content at work.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    is that against ToS? i want to do it but dont want to get banned

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    What are your concerns about Cloudflare and getting 'banned'? There used to be a clause in the TOS that prohibited streaming video. However, as one user here has pointed out, that has been since superseded. Now, I'm not going to tell you that you can share your JF with 20 other users and not raise an eyebrow with Cloudflare. I don't have a clue what they would do in that case. As far as streaming, I run Navidrome around the house from the time I get up in the morning, until I go to bed at night, and have had no issues. There also isn't a bandwidth cap that I can find anywhere in Cloudflare's documentation.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    if you use or are suspected of using the CDN without such Paid Services to serve video or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other large files.

    CF ToS: https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/service-specific-terms-application-services/#content-delivery-network-terms

    Not permitted but tolerated (until it isnt)

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    Like I said, if you've hooked up 20 of your best buds to your JF, then yeah they'd probably have an issue with that. Personal use, I doubt they'd care really.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    Still only tolerated.
    Walking a fime line on getting your account closed/domain banned or at the very least receiving a warning.

    Wishing you best of luck not getting banned.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Well, to cut through the FUD, we'll have to look at the operative words which are: 'disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other large files'. It's not saying, you can't stream a video or some audio, or look at your pictures. So, yeah, I think I'm good, and if it does happen, drop back to option 2. No biggie.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    They explicitly mention non-legal content.
    Immich? Safe (we are not looking at 20GB pictures/videos)
    Static pages from containers? Should be safe
    Jellyfin/Plex? Walking the line on getting banned.

    Cloudflare is replacable but it will be heavily annoying to do so.
    And I'd rather not do it unprepared.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Jellyfin/Plex? Walking the line on getting banned.

    I don't run JF or any parts of the *arr stack, so legal/shady video content isn't a concern. I do stream my private/physical audio collection via Navidrome I've been amassing for decades all converted out to flac. I mean, from Cloudflare's standpoint, I think it's reasonable and understandable.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Same thing.
    Copyrighted media your ripped and am streaming.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    My point is that I think Cloudflare is ok with personal use, but if you are heavily hammering them on the daily, it would probably be an issue. It hasn't been an issue to date, and I've been running with Cloudflare for quite a while. You do bring up some good points/concerns, and it's something every user should consider before hitching their wagon to Cloudflare. It is a free tier after all, but not unlimited.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yup. OP was asking about bandwidth caps, I haven't experienced any, nor can I find any documentation to support bandwidth caps. I stream Navidrome around the house from the time I get up to the time I go to bed and it has worked flawlessly.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Can I ask, how much of a limit does the free tier have on bandwidth if you're doing something like hosting Jellyfin?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    My understanding is that there is no hard limit. At some point they will decide “this is business level traffic” at which point they will start harassing you to purchase a business plan.

    That cutover point is unknown. I’ve never even seen an estimation of when it happens, so it could very well be the type of traffic instead of the amount.

    They also only allow HTTP traffic for the free tier, which is another way they push you towards business tiers.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They also only allow HTTP traffic for the free tier, which is another way they push you towards business tiers.

    I don't think that's true. I'm pretty certain all of my domains are HTTPS only, but maybe that's because I own the domain? Does cloudflare offer free domain names for tunneled traffic?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    HTTPS traffic is still HTTP traffic. There’s just an encryption layer in there.

    And yes cloudflare absolutely supports https.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Can I ask, how much of a limit does the free tier have on bandwidth if you’re doing something like hosting Jellyfin?

    In the past, Argo Tunnel has been priced based on bandwidth consumption as part of Argo Smart Routing, Cloudflare’s traffic acceleration feature. Starting today, we’re excited to announce that any organization can use the secure, outbound-only connection feature of the product at no cost. You can still add the paid Argo Smart Routing feature to accelerate traffic.

    Cloudflare Zero Trust pricing is based on number of users. Unlike some of our peers, Cloudflare does not charge for increased bandwidth, number of app connectors, or volume of threats mitigated.

    I honestly cannot find a hard bandwidth cap. Now, that is not to say that if you are sharing your JF with 20 other users, that they would not frown on that. However, from what I can tell, there is no real bandwidth cap.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    On my mobile, but to give you an idea, I stream Navidrome probably 12-15 hours a day. I really don't think they have a bandwidth limit per se, but when I get back to my desktop where I can actually see, lol, I can do some digging for you.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    While I have similar users here. I noticed that anything I watched on Jellyfin and was connected to cloudflare would give me recommended YouTube shorts on the movies/shows or similar ones I was watching. It is a great free service and I got my domain hooked up through them for $12/year but I feel like it is the leak for my data. I didn’t mind it for a long time because getting shorts served to me that were movie clips was fine with me.

    Anyone notice similar behaviors? My paranoia has me wanting to go a different route or lock things down more.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    Well, I don't run the *arr stack or JF, so I cannot comment to your issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Notice custom ads based on the content you ARE piping through zero trust? Just curious. I realize many users here are probably very avoidant of ads or algorithmic shifts in the first place so it may be unnoticeable

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'll have to say it has been decades since I've seen an ad show up on my screen. However, as I said, I do not run the *arr stack or JF, so my experience might not be applicable to everyone.

    So, you stream a video using JF or other and you are getting ads show up? Like pre-roll ads, or other? That just sounds weird to me. Could you provide a screen capture of said intrusions?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It is content recommended on YouTube, essentially. Not the usual long form content but the shorts feed in particular draws specifically from my Jellyfin downloads and views. Not ads, necessarily, but video clips of movies or similar genres in my algorithmic feeds based on apps using zero trust. It is typically a pattern of download a movie(behind mullvad) or watch Jellyfin and then notice similar movie clips by the next morning. I’m not really interested in going over the details on this thread because it’s not the main topic and there are many other ways this type of behavior happens. For instance, I have Jellyfin installed on a google chromecast and that could be enough or the actual leak. I have a pi-hole running and don’t see many traditional ads but YT shorts was an area where I could physically see how my location, travels, and activity on the web in other places changed the clips they served me in realtime. Pretty cool and scary stuff! I’ve been slowly pruning back corporate spyware. Good luck out there.

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