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[–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

he expressed the ultimate love to us on the Cross

By masochistically sacrificing Himself, to Himself, to pay a price He chose to charge of His own free will, in order to cleanse us of the "taint" of actions He considers sins.

For the sake of argument let's assume what you believe happened happened and that your god is real. The problem with omnipotence is that you can't blaim anyone else for the system you set up. The crucifixion didn't need to happen to "free us from sin", God wanted to incarnate into a mortal form and be tortured to death. Why? I cannot say, but He could have chosen some other way. He could choose to not threaten us with eternal torture simply for not loving Him. That isn't love.

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    God is a fair judge, and he cant just let people off UNLESS someone else takes the punishment

    Why not? Seriously. He set up the system. Why require punishment in that system? Jesus and God are the same person (hence "triune" ), so He essentially had us torture and kill Himself to appease His own vengeance.

    He could have forgiven us without preconditions. He chose to require punishment. Then He chose to be tortured and killed . Now He demands that we thank him for it or He'll punish us for eternity. That's psychopath behavior.

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    Infinite consequences for finite actions? Seems disproportionate.

    One all knowing God who decided to sacrifice Himself to Himself to pay a price He wanted to pay.

    We know it is eternal and irrevocable, and it is meant as punishment. Punishing someone eternally is immoral. There's no way around that. It doesn't matter what they did.

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