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I miss those days when we were encouraged to learn new things, improve, and expand your brain (lemmy.today)
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And now the narrative has shifted to doing things fast without understanding. Otherwise you'll be antiquated and outclassed.

It is true. I feel left behind—like I don't belong in a world infested with ai slop.

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[–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Hmm. If you are confident that learning from ai will work out for you better than learning from humans or human created materials, go ahead.

But as I said it doesn't work in the real world.

  1. AI has been shown to make people stupid and mad.

  2. All professors know this. Students are using llms to cheat in exams and skip learning.

  3. Gen Z has the lowest attention span and reading comprehension skills mostly due to ai summaries. Few can even sit down and read a book anymore.

  4. Using ai for coding and "agents" have eroded the skills of developers. Many have said so and I have seen it among my colleagues too.

I have a feeling we won't make any progress here. I'll stick to learning from humans and the learning materials they have left us.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    None of what you said contradicts what I said, so I guess nice strawman?

    if you are confident that learning from ai will work out for you better than learning from humans or human created materials, go ahead.

    It's not a competition now is it? You can learn by going to the library and reading on the subject, enroll in classes physically or online through video courses, you could join a bootcamp if you wanted. Some are free some are not. Some have teachers or mentors you can talk to, but are they going to cater to your every question at all hours of the day? AI offers another (cost effective) avenue for people to learn and they can choose their most effective method or methods to do so. Seems pointless to be so doomer about the learning aspect.

    1. AI has been shown to make people stupid and mad.
    1. All professors know this. Students are using llms to cheat in exams and skip learning.
    2. Gen Z has the lowest attention span and reading comprehension skills mostly due to ai summaries. Few can even sit down and read a book anymore.
    3. Using ai for coding and "agents" have eroded the skills of developers. Many have said so and I have seen it among my colleagues too.

    Ok? Don't develop parasocial relationships with AI? Don't use it to skip learning?

    Few people could sit down to read a book before AI. You could take this argument, remove AI and its relevant since social media.

    4 is anecdotal but yes that is a side effect of having AI code for you. An accountant is going to become less sharp at math than he was previously if he let's excel calculate everything for him. You adapt. I've never said agent AI is flawless or perfect. But it is undeniably useful that most devs are now using it. Are you going to criticize every dev for not knowing how to code in assembly?

    I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say besides AI bad. World is not black and white. Despite everything else, AI can help enable people to learn things they previously could not. We cant completely control the other stuff but we can absolutely take advantage of a tool to help us.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    None of what you said contradicts what I said, so I guess nice strawman?

    I wrote it to prove that for most people LLMs impair learning.

    cost effective

    Yes counting the billionaire subsidies. But it's very costly on the planet.

    Ok? Don't develop parasocial relationships with AI? Don't use it to skip learning?

    Sorry most people do. Few people use heroin to get better from sickness doesn't mean the majority of people who get their hands on it will abuse it.

    4 is anecdotal

    Everything you said is anecdotal—that too a very unpopular opinion at that. Lol.

    An accountant is going to become less sharp at math

    yay we both agree. What has worked in schools is banning a calculator until a student gets proficient in basic arithmetic and math.

    That's what has worked. You can obviously use a calculator to check your answers etc without cheating and get better at math.

    But that rarely happens in the real world.

    Are you going to criticize every dev for not knowing how to code in assembly?

    If you haven't done even a little bit of assembly then you don't know the fundamentals of CS—how a processor works etc. Yes I would criticize such devs.

    AI can help enable people to learn things they previously could not

    They fool you into thinking that you learned a lot. Why don't you learn something with ai and then take a university exam or apply it in the world with chatgpt off?

    I'm sure you'll fail horribly.

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