Maybe try "If Books Could Kill" - it is two dudes talking but they're both hilarious and the episodes revolve around reviewing airport/shitty books. Their relationship/interaction is great.

Most podcasts aren't even dudes talking to each other it's more like talking over each other so they can be the center of attention, I hate the annoying loud group of men half screaming bad jokes at each other trying to be funny and fake laughing

Clearly you just need to listen to dudes talking to each other about Star Trek instead

There are plenty of podcasts with women, you just have to scroll down a bit

$0.02: much like AM radio (is/was), it's basically a "2nd screen experience." Put it on in the car or while you're doing something else. Most of these do not deliver enough information or laughs per minute to demand your full attention. The exception are programs that are meticulously scripted, narrated, edited, produced, and sometimes acted, like NPR and the occasional oddball thing like Nightvale.

You find the ones that aren't boring and listen to those.

Of course they're just people talking to each other. It's an audio-only medium! Some of them are boring and some of them are entertaining.

Have you never heard of talk radio? I feel almost like I'm explaining music or movies to somebody who's never heard of them before.

I enjoy Breaking Points which actually covers current political news critically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LkUaBttFtg

It helps if you have interests

They are many types of podcasts. Just got to find one that fits your interests and captures your attention.

I once had one that constantly switched radio stations in like a five second cycle and farted on the whole ride. I'd take even the most boring podcast over that.

Side note, I'm listening to a true crime podcast at the moment, and I really do enjoy it.