▲ 44 ▼ Ferrari and BMW join Tesla, China in switch from copper to cheaper aluminium (www.reuters.com) submitted 4 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/electricvehicles@slrpnk.net 21 comments fedilink hide all child comments Ferrari and BMW are rolling out new models featuring lightweight, cost-effective aluminium wiring, accelerating a shift away from copper, the dominant material in electric wiring since the invention of the electric battery two centuries ago.
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (13 children) Oh boy, even more increased fire risk! permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (6 children) Planned Obselecense, baby. More opportunities to sell replacement parts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (5 children) Nah, that's gonna set the whole car on fire, and then it's all over once the batteries catch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) that’s gonna set the whole car on fire Let me know when you start seeing Ferraris burst into flames. Because that'll be an entertaining display. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos are gonna be the first to go. Anyway, here's a picture of a Ferrari on fire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos Wasn't there just a big scandal at Ford over relying on AI to manufacture vehicles and ending up with a bunch of defects? Anyway, here’s a picture of a Ferrari on fire ❤️ 😁 💕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We already know that established American cars are crap, I didn't think that needed to be said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent [+] pennomi@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not really. It's much more chemically reactive and less springy than copper, and more prone to fatigue. I've heard the newer alloys address this problem at least partially, but it was banned from most residential wiring applications for good reasons after a lot of houses burned down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago And houses are known for their "movement". What could possibly go wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (2 children) It expands and contracts and oxidizes far more readily than copper. I don't trust corner-cutters to engineer around these potential hazards. We're gonna see these Teslas light up like fireworks in a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 9 points 4 months ago (1 child) If it's for general vehicle wiring it'll be mayhem. If it's chunky busbars and such in the battery modules and drive motors... maybe not so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago Yeah, would probably be fine for a bus bar. They certainly didn't go into enough detail in the article. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (6 children) Planned Obselecense, baby. More opportunities to sell replacement parts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (5 children) Nah, that's gonna set the whole car on fire, and then it's all over once the batteries catch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) that’s gonna set the whole car on fire Let me know when you start seeing Ferraris burst into flames. Because that'll be an entertaining display. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos are gonna be the first to go. Anyway, here's a picture of a Ferrari on fire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos Wasn't there just a big scandal at Ford over relying on AI to manufacture vehicles and ending up with a bunch of defects? Anyway, here’s a picture of a Ferrari on fire ❤️ 😁 💕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We already know that established American cars are crap, I didn't think that needed to be said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (5 children) Nah, that's gonna set the whole car on fire, and then it's all over once the batteries catch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) that’s gonna set the whole car on fire Let me know when you start seeing Ferraris burst into flames. Because that'll be an entertaining display. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos are gonna be the first to go. Anyway, here's a picture of a Ferrari on fire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos Wasn't there just a big scandal at Ford over relying on AI to manufacture vehicles and ending up with a bunch of defects? Anyway, here’s a picture of a Ferrari on fire ❤️ 😁 💕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We already know that established American cars are crap, I didn't think that needed to be said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) that’s gonna set the whole car on fire Let me know when you start seeing Ferraris burst into flames. Because that'll be an entertaining display. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos are gonna be the first to go. Anyway, here's a picture of a Ferrari on fire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos Wasn't there just a big scandal at Ford over relying on AI to manufacture vehicles and ending up with a bunch of defects? Anyway, here’s a picture of a Ferrari on fire ❤️ 😁 💕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We already know that established American cars are crap, I didn't think that needed to be said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos are gonna be the first to go. Anyway, here's a picture of a Ferrari on fire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos Wasn't there just a big scandal at Ford over relying on AI to manufacture vehicles and ending up with a bunch of defects? Anyway, here’s a picture of a Ferrari on fire ❤️ 😁 💕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We already know that established American cars are crap, I didn't think that needed to be said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children) The Teslas and Chinese cheapos Wasn't there just a big scandal at Ford over relying on AI to manufacture vehicles and ending up with a bunch of defects? Anyway, here’s a picture of a Ferrari on fire ❤️ 😁 💕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We already know that established American cars are crap, I didn't think that needed to be said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We already know that established American cars are crap, I didn't think that needed to be said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago We already know that established American cars are crap There was a period, in the 70s/80s, when they were absolute crap. And then Japan started building non-crap cars, so Americans actually had to compete. For a brief, beautiful decade in between '98 and '08, you could get a Ford Focus for under $20k and it would drive 150k miles doing 50+mpg and almost never break. Then Toyota started cheaping out and Ford got extra slack, and it was a race to the bottom again. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not really. It's much more chemically reactive and less springy than copper, and more prone to fatigue. I've heard the newer alloys address this problem at least partially, but it was banned from most residential wiring applications for good reasons after a lot of houses burned down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago And houses are known for their "movement". What could possibly go wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (2 children) It expands and contracts and oxidizes far more readily than copper. I don't trust corner-cutters to engineer around these potential hazards. We're gonna see these Teslas light up like fireworks in a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 9 points 4 months ago (1 child) If it's for general vehicle wiring it'll be mayhem. If it's chunky busbars and such in the battery modules and drive motors... maybe not so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago Yeah, would probably be fine for a bus bar. They certainly didn't go into enough detail in the article. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not really. It's much more chemically reactive and less springy than copper, and more prone to fatigue. I've heard the newer alloys address this problem at least partially, but it was banned from most residential wiring applications for good reasons after a lot of houses burned down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago And houses are known for their "movement". What could possibly go wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago And houses are known for their "movement". What could possibly go wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (2 children) It expands and contracts and oxidizes far more readily than copper. I don't trust corner-cutters to engineer around these potential hazards. We're gonna see these Teslas light up like fireworks in a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 9 points 4 months ago (1 child) If it's for general vehicle wiring it'll be mayhem. If it's chunky busbars and such in the battery modules and drive motors... maybe not so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago Yeah, would probably be fine for a bus bar. They certainly didn't go into enough detail in the article. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 9 points 4 months ago (1 child) If it's for general vehicle wiring it'll be mayhem. If it's chunky busbars and such in the battery modules and drive motors... maybe not so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago Yeah, would probably be fine for a bus bar. They certainly didn't go into enough detail in the article. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago Yeah, would probably be fine for a bus bar. They certainly didn't go into enough detail in the article. permalink fedilink source parent