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America continues to fall behind the rest of the world (discuss.online)
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[–] 49 points 4 months ago (19 children)

I can't fathom how anyone is against free healthcare. CHILDREN have to go without healthcare FFS CHILDREN. How can anyone justify that?

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Even within free market logic free healthcare just makes sense. It enables people to more comfortably quit their job to start a business or take any better job. It also allows people more freedom to choose medical professionals based on their merits rather than on who their insurer says they can use.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's also cheaper for everyone, and results in much better outcomes on average. It's truly win/win/win.

    The only losers would be the insurance companies that would no longer exist. And fuck them.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    The stupid thing is that even this isn't necessarily the case. Even in countries that have public healthcare, there are still private options for those who want "fancier" care. The true statement is that they would only be able to rip off the wealthy, instead of everyone in the country.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Even within free market logic free healthcare just makes sense.

    It doesn't make sense because it doesn't maximize the short term profits of a health care business.

    It enables people to more comfortably quit their job

    No American capitalist wants this.

    You can be hired. You can be fired. You can't go around quitting without your boss's permission.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I can’t fathom how anyone is against free healthcare

    "We CaN'T aFfOrD iT! wE wIlL rUn OuT oF mOnEy!"

    Every fucking time it's suggested. Every fucking time, you get some clown screaming about how it costs too much and it will bankrupt the country and how health care will go away if you try to federalize it.

    And under this government? Maybe they're right. Maybe American business leadership would just rip the wires out of the walls anyways. Look at what UK politicians have done to the NHS, ffs.

    It's very possible that Americans don't have access to health care because we are simply too greedy and cruel and stupid as a population to value it above carpet bombing the Global South.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Funny how there's always money to bomb schools, on the other hand...

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And to give to Elon Musk for him to lose. He went down from 1.45 trillion to 970 billion. Like what? Half a trillion dollars lost?

    I don't even use numbers like that in a fucking video game...

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The problem is there's a false scarcity. Healthcare is expensive for people in the US right now, so the idea of paying for someone else's healthcare via universal healthcare doesn't sound like a good thing, it sounds like taking the money you need for your healthcare to pay for someone else's.

    It's NOT like that, but people have it in their heads that it is. And it's very hard to change a made up mind when there are people rallying against it to protect their own private interests.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    That's no reason to not have universal healthcare.

    Sure, some people think as you describe, but they are the minority. We're supposed to be a representative democracy.

    • 90% of Democrats want universal healthcare. (30% of voters)
    • 70% of Independents want universal healthcare. (40% of voters)
    • Even 40% of Republicans want universal healthcare. (30% of voters)

    (many polls, pick your favorite)

    bOtH pArTiEs think otherwise, unfortunately

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Oh no I totally agree with you. Not saying it justifies it or even that the math makes sense, but it feels that a lot of times when you have people who dissent against universal healthcare the reason I stated is why.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Because to them, the fight against the Others is so profoundly tied to their core identity that they would choose a rapacious trillionaire or low rent pedophile mob boss to lead them despite OVERWHELMING evidence either would gladly see them dead for a nickel.

    Anyone not of their inner circle (church, Trump worship, family of they accede to the previous conditions) are the enemy. And they don't deserve even basic human rights. Unless they're a zygote/fetus, in which case they get a pass until birth.

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