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[–] Hund@feddit.nu [S] 69 points 4 months ago (51 children)

I'm not taking side here, but to be fair, Elon Musk is a shitty person doing shitty things both professionally and private. Mullvad VPN is at least only doing good things!

With that said. I have stopped using Mullvad VPN for now. We'll see how this all plays out.

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (21 children)

gonna get downvoted to hell here but making EVs and charging infrastructure is a good thing. also rooftop solar and batteries.

still, fuck nazi elon.

edit: this isn’t even about “credit” for developing the tech or whatever. even if we all agree this stuff was going to happen with or without elon, the Tesla business is still putting these products on the market. That is good, just like Mullvad and VPN. They didn’t invent VPN or anything, they are just one (good) provider.

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[–] Hund@feddit.nu [S] 45 points 4 months ago (5 children)

The only issue with Tesla is that the quality of their cars is mediocre at best, while you're paying premium, and that Tesla is the most childish and obstinate company to work with.

We have something called Råd & Rön's Blacklist, which is respected Swedish consumer magazine's list of products to avoid. Tesla is one of the brands that's listed there. Partly because of the poor quality of the cars and partly because they don't follow the rulings from the National Board for Consumer Complaints here in Sweden.

And they don't give a **** about insurance companies either. If something happens to your Tesla, you're on your own buying a new one yourself. You can forget about getting any sort of help from Tesla.

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[–] 0x0@infosec.pub -2 points 4 months ago*

I stopped reading what you wrote after your first sentence. There are so many other issues than that with Tesla, what dimension are you from?

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[+] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The cars since 2020 have been decent quality. What you are paying for is an EV with good range and good power. Tesla definitely pushed the U.S. ev adoption ahead by a number of years.
I'm curious about how that board works - is it a judicial system that other car manufacturers follow? What kind of rulings have they made against Tesla? I found that Tesla follows their own warranty quite well, and after that I don't think any a car manufacturers will fix stuff for free.
And what support do you expect to get regarding insurance? You can buy a bew car like anyone, can't you?

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[–] Hund@feddit.nu [S] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The cars since 2020 have been decent quality. What you are paying for is an EV with good range and good power. Tesla definitely pushed the U.S. ev adoption ahead by a number of years.

I guess everything is relative. Tesla is still a crappy car in terms of quality here, with tons of unresolved issues with faulty cars that Tesla refused to help their customers with.

I’m curious about how that board works - is it a judicial system that other car manufacturers follow?

Råd & Rönis is an independent, non-profit consumer magazine owned by the Swedish Consumer Agency. Their funding comes from subscriptions and government grants (no advertising and no corporate money). They test products, expose bad companies and protect consumers. Their "Black List" (Svarta Listan) is highly influential, and being on it can destroy sales completely.

Customers can file a complaint at The National Board for Consumer Disputes (ARN), a government-run arbitration(?) service. Their decisions are not legally binding, but companies that ignore them get publicly shamed (and often blacklisted by Råd & Rön). Tesla has ignored basically every single case. Any remotely serious company here in Sweden comply with ARN. We take ARN very seriously here.

What kind of rulings have they made against Tesla?

Our law is equal for everyone. We don't care if you're some local dude selling hotdogs or Elon Musk selling Teslas.

I found that Tesla follows their own warranty quite well [...]

That's the issue. Their warranty basically means that they ignore you and will fuck you over, even if the issue is their own fault. People have ended up with repair costs close to what a new car costs, and even if it's Teslas fault, they refuse to do shit.

[...] and after that I don’t think any a car manufacturers will fix stuff for free.

Of course they have to, if the issue is their own fault.

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Sounds like a good system. But I guess it only works if people pay attention to the blacklist so it's a good threat since it's not enforceable. I haven't heard of Tesla not honoring drivetrain issues under warranty here in Canada. They wouldn't do a second windshield replacement on my wife's T3 because what they said was evidence of a rock chip, but that was kinda fair.

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[–] Hund@feddit.nu [S] 2 points 4 months ago

I'm glad you have a better experience with them! :)

Here's some reading (in Swedish) if you would like to read about it:

I didn't have to look hard to find these. :/

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago

Elon Musk didn't do any of that though. Engineers did.

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[–] Zagorath 20 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Rooftop solar is definitely not something Musk can take any credit for.

EVs maybe, but charging infrastructure that he made proprietary rather than using the open standard is not especially worthy of praise.

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[+] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 months ago (4 children)

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[–] Zagorath 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I mean yeah, obviously. But Musk is very obviously excellent at marketing, and there's an argument to be made that it was thanks to his marketing that Tesla became as popular as it did, and that that helped pull up the EV market more broadly.

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[+] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

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[–] bryndos@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

He did scam money out of govts and banks to help pay those hires though. It turns out that scamming is the most valued skill in the world.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Not even EVs. The work was getting done by researchers improving electric motors and batteries. As soon as the technology was viable Elon jumped on it and marketed himself as the person behind it all. Same goes for PayPal which he stole credit for, rockets that people already worked decades on, tunnels that are just bad metros, and machine learning (AI) that people were already doing since the 70's and only recently had breakthroughs because of the increased ability to feed it data en masse.

The only credit he should get is having the power and charisma to capitalize on the work of others. He's a Thomas Edison and not a Nikola Tesla.

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Calling him Thomas Edison is giving him far too much credit. Edison may have been a self aggrandizing asshole, but he also did have a few accomplishments to his name. Musk is a glorified venture capitalist, only instead of just taking a chunk of the profits he buys the whole company so he can steal credit for the company's achievements. Elon Musk has never created a single thing in his life. He has in fact been a net negative as every company he has ever been involved with would have been better off without Musk's "help".

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

He didnt make shit. He saw there was opportunity and ran with it, now that he has it sustainabikity is nowhere close to his goals.

The solar tiles suck The battery is a whitelabelled product The boring company was strategic interference to stop public infrastructure development.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Elon is just a propaganda machine (see his "in 4 or 5 years we'll have datacenters in space" bullshit, or all the other things that he promised but it didn't happen), a shame so many people fall for it.

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[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

Those things were happening before him and continue DESPITE him. If you get downvoted it’s because you insinuated he had anything to do with that.

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[–] Sumocat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Yes, but I do not give Musk credit for recognizing a good thing and then taking it from Tesla’s founders.

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[–] username123@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago

Yeah but it's not exactly the south African doing those things, if anything they are doing them despite him.

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[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world -9 points 4 months ago (27 children)

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[–] Hund@feddit.nu [S] 5 points 4 months ago (26 children)

They are? How?

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[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (25 children)

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 16 points 4 months ago (18 children)

Monero is anonymous, so it makes sense.

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[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world -8 points 4 months ago (17 children)

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Do you have a better way of making anonymous digital payments?

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[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world -27 points 4 months ago (6 children)

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[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don't know if you are serious, but the idea that people have nothing to hide comes from Nazi Germany. Also, lgbtq+ people may need to hide from their family without being cut from communities, just to give an example.

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[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world -9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

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[–] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 months ago

If my family didn't accept the fact that I'm aroace, I would forget about them and change my life.

Thats an insane amount if privilege to think that it applies to everyome everywhere.

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[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 3 points 4 months ago

For a philosophical or political idea, I think yes, the source matter. The dispariton of the state ain't the same between an anarchist and a nazi (they were, too), because it will have an impact on the mean you want to do it.

But your family accepted you, how about some transphobic parents for their kid, how would this play out in your book? Cut off from any support? Beatten up to shit because they looked at wiki trans? Sure, the more open the better,but right now this is not the situation.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

That's a profoundly pro tyranny statement

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[–] michaelalf@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Okay now I know this is a troll

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 months ago (8 children)

with all the downsides of crypto.

Such as what in this case? Definitely not power consumption if we're talking about Monero.

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[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world -14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

How does that apply to someone using it to pay for VPN service? Who cares what other people are using it for.

Also, many of those "criminals" are using it to buy shit like HRT because they can't get it where they live. Some others just want to get cheap cannabis gummies in states where it's already legal.

You shouldn't paint with such a broad brush.

USD is just as private, unless you're tracking serial numbers on bills, and even then... It would be like saying you don't use cash because it's used by criminals. Makes no sense.

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[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world -6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

If buying HRT and using it is illegal where you live, don't do that, even using monero or other closed (closeness is the oposite of openness and is more neutral term than privacy) money.

Imagine living in 2026 and thinking that legality = morality.

I wonder if you'd have said the same thing if I said people were using it to buy insulin.

Thinking it's ok to deny people the medication that they need because they need to use a privacy coin to buy it? Nice.

I'm just going to skip over the part where you call people criminals for being concerned about privacy. Ostensibly that means you're against VPNs in general then, right? Want to try to defend that one?

Boot licking loser.