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Mamdani calls AIPAC ‘monsters’ in rally ahead of NY primaries (www.jpost.com)
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[–] 167 points 4 months ago (65 children)

He’s not wrong they should be declared a terrorist group.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Opposing Israel is not synonymous with Antifa.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    It's not an organization

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Can you explain how Antifa is a terrorist group?

    I'd love specifics.

    What specifically have they done? Who have they terrified? Hell, even just... Who is the group?

    Antifa isn't a group like Al Qaeda, The Taliban, ISIS, The Proud Boys, etc. it is an anti-fascist philosophy. So if you're actively against antifa, that necessarily puts you on the side of fascists. Keep that in mind when looking at who is vocally against antifa and trying to demonize antifa.

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  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    They should at least have to register as a foreign lobby

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    The politically appointed and republican biased supreme court should not be allowed to arbitrarily make law that impacts national security without an assessment by a balanced group overseeing it's decisions, joint chiefs, pentagon, house and Congress.

    Citizens united opens an enormous gaping national security hole that needs to be closed permanently and never reopened.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Have you gotten hasbara thrown at u that Israel is lower than some other countries in FARA reports? Yeah.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    No but if it’s not bad enough that they are a foreign lobby meddling in our elections, they have resorted to dark money fronts posing as progressive or conservative activist groups in order to hide their influence. It’s fucking insidious.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    Yup, it's bullshit, clearly they are a functional foreign lobby and as you suggest they should be on the list. But they aren't, so my pro-Israel friends/family pull up the FARA numbers to prove Israel isn't the top foreign lobbyist in the US. It's farcical.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (40 children)

    They don’t do any terroristic activities.

    They just bribe and coerce public employees into giving an immoral genocidal foreign government infinite money and protection from accountability and justice.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I don’t think that’s giving American Jews enough credit.

    Israel as a bug-out plan for anyone with Jewish heritage is a distinctly Zionist idea, which is far more polarizing these days.

    But even if some Jews may be given to such a demonstrably facile us-them disposition — i.e., security-at-all-costs with no sense of irony whatsoever — my impression is that many find it impossible to ignore the apparent gollum of this increasingly explicit mechanized hegemonic genocidal fascist apartheid state somehow laying claim to their worldwide identity.

    If I were an American Jew, I would be asking myself “is this what being Jewish means to me?” And I suspect my answer would be outrage to the tune of “no, fuck Zionism” or “no, fuck Israel.” Either way it would consume me utterly.

    In short, I just find it hard to believe the average Jew is especially ignorant, heartless, or selfish. That to me sounds like actual antisemitism.

    ETA: I can’t speak for American Jews but most of the Jews I know are either older and just anti-bibi or younger and openly anti-Zionist. This is in New York for context.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago* (15 children)

    If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?

    LMAO, the people who leave are getting discounted houses/free land stolen from LIVING families who are now homeless. There are so many fucking reports, documentaries, and interviews about this, spanning back to the 19-fucking-70s. The Nakba is a real historically analyzed event. Fucking Helen Mirren has a quote about what she saw:

    Mirren said of her experience in Israel at that time:
    I witnessed things that were wrong. I witnessed Arabs being thrown out of their houses in Jerusalem. But it was just the extraordinary magical energy of a country just beginning to put its roots in the ground. It was an amazing time to be here.

    Who's the monster? Look in the mirror, "space cowboy". From a Canadian instance no less: you exist in a server on stolen treaty land, and you're support other's land getting stolen. What else is new.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Are you not aware there are a number of majority Muslim states in the world? There is only one majority Jewish state and you want it gone, while being suspiciously vague about how you want to accomplish that.

    There's a good case to be made for the Roma to have a state, but their history is being nomadic (so where would that state be?) and there doesn't seem to be the will within the Roma people to form a state.

    Since you're making silly comparisons with other ethnicities, do you think it's wrong for indigenous people to claim a cultural connection to the land? If it's wrong for Jews to feel a connection to the land of their ancestors then it must also be wrong for indigenous people to feel a similar connection to the land of their ancestors? for that matter, do you feel it's wrong for Palestinians to feel a connection to the land of their ancestors?

    Personally I'm pragmatic. Everyone has to live somewhere and people have a right to live where they were born, otherwise you end up with stateless people who will inevitably be oppressed. Like the Roma. More than 80% of the Jews in Israel were born there, so they have the right to live there. I was born on land that was taken from other people in the past, but I have a right to live in my country, because where else would I live?

    I hope that many countries would allow in Jewish if we see a repeat of the antisemitc hatred of the past. We are currently headed in that direction. But I do recognize that antisemitc movements in the past and in the present are international movements (oh the irony that the real global schemers are the antisemites). So there's no guarantee that there will be any country that will give safe harbour to Jews... except for one.

    I bring up the Night of the Long Knives to remind you want happens to socialists that become adjacent to fascists. Y'all are so busy congratulating yourselves for seeing some problems with capitalism and discovering antisemitic conspiracy theories for the first time in your lives, you don't see the pattern you're following.

    The best argument for a Jewish state is to just read what people post on this site.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children)

    So you're saying the Jews need their own space as a matter of survival? I think the Germans had a word for that: lebensraum.

    The reality of the situation is that zionists have spent the last four years systematically exterminating the population of Palestine through a combination of direct violence, terror, and apparently a coordinated effort to cause mass starvation.

    In the last year, they've moved on to Lebanon and Syria.

    Conflating Zionism and semitism won't make me think the atrocities being carried out right now are okay. I will remain an anti-zionist. You might convince me to become an anti-semite, though.

    Edit: to clarify, this isnt a Jewish problem. The problem is being caused by the political entity we know as Israel, not the ethnic group we call Jews. Now both the political entity we call Israel, and actual anti-semites, have a vested interest in conflating the two.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is you're only thinking about what's happening on the other side of the world. I'm thinking about what's happening where I live. You're ignoring what is happening to Jewish people because you don't want to upset your allies in your movement.

    You're not the first person to look the other way when antisemitism was happening. You're not the first person to be in a movement that will ostracize you if you show any empathy for Jews. You have to continuously go back to the well and talk about what's happening elsewhere in the world while Jews in your own country are victims of racist violence.

    There are very strong parallels between your behavior and the behavior of groups in the past. You're in a hate group. You don't want to see yourself as a member of a hate group, so you won't look at the violence perpetrated against Jews that have never even been to Israel. You can't consider that this violence is being done by the members of the same group you're in.

    It's the same with white supremacists you know. If exposed to something that is clearly hateful towards black people they will go back to the warm comfort of a stream of information showing black people committing crimes.

    Did you do that after the Bondi massacre? After you catch a glimpse of a news article about synagogue being shot at? Just go back to a stream of data depicting Jews doing terrible things to cleanse the doubt from your mind so you can stay loyal to your hate group?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    As I said, there is a clear distinction between the actions of Israel the political entity and Jews the ethnic group. I absolutely condemn the actions of Israel. Unfortunately, other people who I am not in a group with use this to justify violence against Jews.

    Israel the political entity also encourages those violent actions against Jews, to create a rally around the flag effect.

    As long as both right wing neo-nazis and right wing Israeli leadership continue to draw an equivalence between Israel the political entity and Jews the ethnic group, people will feel justified attacking Jews in the name of harming Israel.

    Me? I don't attack Jews. But I am quite comfortable calling out Israel as a fascist state run by genocidal maniacs. If you can't make that distinction, then once again: I will not stop being anti-zionist.

    This is the downside of mixing religion and politics. Want to prevent anti-Semitic attacks that claim to defend Palestine? Work to make it very fucking clear that Israel the political entity does not speak for Jews the ethnic group. Or accept that you might become collateral damage.

    Edit: much like how I have accepted that me being an American citizen makes me a target for anti-trump foreign entities, regardless of my support for trump. And much like how I have accepted that my Russian heritage will likely mean I never visit Ukraine ever again, even though I think the Russian invasion was completely unjustified.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is interesting. She had other remarks about Israelis toward the end of her career as well. Less charitable ones

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    She had me in the first half, until the magical energy kicked in. Really illustrates how much you can overlook when you're quite sure you know who the good guys are. I bet the Nazi party also had its fair share of magical energy back in the day.

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    lol, every Jewish American I know hates AIPAC and is 100% against the occupation and genocide that is currently happening.

    Nothing turns people against AIPAC more than facts about AIPAC and Israel.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Congratulations, you're the perfect kind of brainless sheep that Israel wants to justify their genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Where have they done that? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean in a comment elsewhere. If you did mean their comment above, how do you suppose you are against a genocide if any opposition is equivalent to wanting a counter genocide?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The Jewish people live on stolen land. Remind me what happened on May 14, 1948. This isn't some ancient claim. It was a bait and switch by England. Benny is just getting old and deciding like all the old boomers that he's going to solidify some legacy and die off unaccountable.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    i mean i get it. i'm disabled. i had three weeks from my diagnosis to my first real death threat. not my first death threat, the first one that was actionable. the first nonactionable threat only took a few days. i'd have immigrated, like, anywhere by now if there was anywhere that took disabled people. and i'm literally the best in the world at my instrument.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    i'm literally the best in the world at my instrument

    Can you tell us more?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    just a little, i'm putting things together. forgive me for being purposefully vague. the last person to do what i do on my instrument, which i cannot yet own because it costs as much as a house in the statesian midwest, did what she did in 1979. almost no one knows her name because it's a very obscure musical instrument. you only know her name if you play the instrument. she has a technique named after her. i have a technique named after me. there are only two people with techniques named after them wrt this instrument. i got my technique named after me about ten, maybe fifteen years ago (covid fucked with my sense of time) when i was developing it with a guy named mark in utah. i wanted to call it the gimme, he named it after me and I didn't quite get what an honor that was. then i saw my photo on the professional musicians association website last month. from the last convention i attended two decades ago. it's blowing my mind. that's about it.

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