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There is no pro capitalist left (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Take your pick of European country and look into social housing. Yes its not as widespread as it could be and has faults, but it is a system of providing housing to people outside the market/capitalist system.

Insisting on "free" as the marker of being outside a market system is illiterate, resources have to be expended to create things and their has to be accounting for this somehow. Even things that are are free at the point of use (oh look like the UK's NHS, another example of a left wing policy in existence) have to manage their resources and ensure that they are distributed correctly.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    If I were to use your pick (UK), your argument is invalid.

    Insisting on “free” as the marker of being outside a market system is illiterate

    Oh, so you can't see a system outside capitalism.

    resources have to be expended to create things

    And it should be policy to be free to reuse.

    their has to be accounting for this somehow.

    nrly.

    manage their resources and ensure that they are distributed correctly

    This is the key: managing resources to serve everyone, and distributing to the needed. Not the bourgeoisie.
    Anarchists believe we can manage those resources efficiently and equivocally. Capitalist, and in the case of SocDems, believe they can do so for their populists.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Its not perfect therefore its not leftwing, gosh who could have predicted that.

    A gift economy being a (unproven in an industrialised context) way of running an economy other than a market system does not mean it is the only way of being outside a market system. A is not B does not imply that C is B.

    And you still need to account for resources, just handwaving gift economy does not relieve that pressure, you need a system for how much gets put into healthcare as opposed to education as opposed to transport as opposed to research. That means tracking resources numerically and that means something along the lines of money.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Its not perfect

    Therefore your argument is imperfect. Correct your argument a little better, maybe you’ll convince us how King Charles should own more housing and food than the entire population of the UK, imperialist scum.

    And you still need to account for resources

    You really don't.

    system for how much gets put into healthcare as opposed to education as opposed to transport as opposed to research

    In anarchy, everyone one of these gets supported. In UK, everyone of these get gutted. The priorities of privatizers are theirs, not ours.

    That means tracking resources numerically

    Again, nrly.

    money

    Which you know is theft.

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