▲ 22 ▼ Have you read Canada’s constitution? (piefed.ca) submitted 4 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/askacanadian@lemmy.ca 26 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (5 children) Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (4 children) You dropped the most important word of that sentence; the word that means, "This sentence has no legal bearing." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children) You mean the "whereas"? Doesn't that just mean that this is a given and everything coming after is based on this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) "Whereas" marks the paragraph as part of the preamble. The preamble of legislation has no operative effect. It can be used to explain the purpose of a law which can be used when interpreting intent, but it can't be used to create new powers or take rights away from people. It was tested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouvement_la%C3%AFque_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_v_Saguenay_(City) where iiuc there was an attempt to use the preamble to justify prayer in City Council meetings, and the SCC gave a unanimous ruling that it was a breech of citizen's rights despite the "supremacy of god" whereas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If you say that we have law X because of reasons Y, then doesn't it invalidate X when Y no longer holds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* No, the preamble cannot make laws inactive. If you wanted the legislation to have a limited term (like a sunset clause) or only apply in certain circumstances, you would have to put that in the actual body of the legislation. Legislation can only be changed by act of the legislative assembly, even if it has become archaic or obsolete. I think the judiciary can strike down entire acts if the assembly refuses to fix constitutional issues, not sure how that works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (4 children) You dropped the most important word of that sentence; the word that means, "This sentence has no legal bearing." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children) You mean the "whereas"? Doesn't that just mean that this is a given and everything coming after is based on this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) "Whereas" marks the paragraph as part of the preamble. The preamble of legislation has no operative effect. It can be used to explain the purpose of a law which can be used when interpreting intent, but it can't be used to create new powers or take rights away from people. It was tested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouvement_la%C3%AFque_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_v_Saguenay_(City) where iiuc there was an attempt to use the preamble to justify prayer in City Council meetings, and the SCC gave a unanimous ruling that it was a breech of citizen's rights despite the "supremacy of god" whereas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If you say that we have law X because of reasons Y, then doesn't it invalidate X when Y no longer holds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* No, the preamble cannot make laws inactive. If you wanted the legislation to have a limited term (like a sunset clause) or only apply in certain circumstances, you would have to put that in the actual body of the legislation. Legislation can only be changed by act of the legislative assembly, even if it has become archaic or obsolete. I think the judiciary can strike down entire acts if the assembly refuses to fix constitutional issues, not sure how that works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children) You mean the "whereas"? Doesn't that just mean that this is a given and everything coming after is based on this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) "Whereas" marks the paragraph as part of the preamble. The preamble of legislation has no operative effect. It can be used to explain the purpose of a law which can be used when interpreting intent, but it can't be used to create new powers or take rights away from people. It was tested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouvement_la%C3%AFque_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_v_Saguenay_(City) where iiuc there was an attempt to use the preamble to justify prayer in City Council meetings, and the SCC gave a unanimous ruling that it was a breech of citizen's rights despite the "supremacy of god" whereas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If you say that we have law X because of reasons Y, then doesn't it invalidate X when Y no longer holds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* No, the preamble cannot make laws inactive. If you wanted the legislation to have a limited term (like a sunset clause) or only apply in certain circumstances, you would have to put that in the actual body of the legislation. Legislation can only be changed by act of the legislative assembly, even if it has become archaic or obsolete. I think the judiciary can strike down entire acts if the assembly refuses to fix constitutional issues, not sure how that works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) "Whereas" marks the paragraph as part of the preamble. The preamble of legislation has no operative effect. It can be used to explain the purpose of a law which can be used when interpreting intent, but it can't be used to create new powers or take rights away from people. It was tested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouvement_la%C3%AFque_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_v_Saguenay_(City) where iiuc there was an attempt to use the preamble to justify prayer in City Council meetings, and the SCC gave a unanimous ruling that it was a breech of citizen's rights despite the "supremacy of god" whereas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If you say that we have law X because of reasons Y, then doesn't it invalidate X when Y no longer holds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* No, the preamble cannot make laws inactive. If you wanted the legislation to have a limited term (like a sunset clause) or only apply in certain circumstances, you would have to put that in the actual body of the legislation. Legislation can only be changed by act of the legislative assembly, even if it has become archaic or obsolete. I think the judiciary can strike down entire acts if the assembly refuses to fix constitutional issues, not sure how that works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If you say that we have law X because of reasons Y, then doesn't it invalidate X when Y no longer holds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* No, the preamble cannot make laws inactive. If you wanted the legislation to have a limited term (like a sunset clause) or only apply in certain circumstances, you would have to put that in the actual body of the legislation. Legislation can only be changed by act of the legislative assembly, even if it has become archaic or obsolete. I think the judiciary can strike down entire acts if the assembly refuses to fix constitutional issues, not sure how that works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago* No, the preamble cannot make laws inactive. If you wanted the legislation to have a limited term (like a sunset clause) or only apply in certain circumstances, you would have to put that in the actual body of the legislation. Legislation can only be changed by act of the legislative assembly, even if it has become archaic or obsolete. I think the judiciary can strike down entire acts if the assembly refuses to fix constitutional issues, not sure how that works. permalink fedilink source parent