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Graham Platner shrugs off scandals to win Maine Democratic Senate primary (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 19 points 5 months ago (34 children)

Dude is literally a 5 tour marine.

Yeah he loved it so much he kept coming back, bragged about loving killing and was stationed at Abu Ghraib. A literal blackwater mercenary with a Totenkropf tattoo.

USians deserve to suffer if he is their hope..

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This does raise a good question from a socialist perspective: Can someone even as far gone as Plattner change? Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.

    Being in the Red Army is not equivalent to being a Senator. You don't fuck up and then go into politics and seek out a leadership position as a "second chance." That's not forgiveness, that's just failing to hold politicians accountable and letting powerful people get away with shit.

    Humility is a requirement of forgiveness and seeking public office is in complete contradiction to that. You want forgiveness, go volunteer at a soup kitchen or some shit. Don't fuck up and then immediately go, "I think I deserve to be invested with power."

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (30 children)

    So you’re saying Colin’s is the best choice?!?! We know she’s a magat pro genocide Nazi. Dude is anti Israel at a time Israel has literally infiltrated our government for nefarious purposes. I would take platner a million times over. My dad was a special forces multiple tour combat veteran from Vietnam who ended up becoming a hippie! People change war changes people and he has earned my respect.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (29 children)

    Slightly changing the meme:

    Lemmy the only place where well-articulated sentences still get misinterpreted. You can say “I don't like pancakes” and somebody will say “So you love waffles?” Dats a whole new sentence. Wtf is you talkin about.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    Show me actual evidence that this guy is worse than Collins.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (25 children)

    Who here is talking about KKKollinSS?? That's a whole other person

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (24 children)

    It’s him vs Colins

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Ok??? Because two demons are fighting for a seat at the devils table we shouldn't point out that the one the so-called leftists hope will be on their side and is supportive of the resistance to genocide is in fact a demon and that the whole thing is a sham?

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (6 children)

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Please make your point or leave it be

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    She’s a pro genocide Nazi. He is not

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    how do you know he isn't pro genocide?

    Edit: well ...

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    He’s endorsed by track AIPAC because he doesn’t take Israeli lobby money.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Ok? Is that it? Not being corrupt on the record is all it takes? What are his views about death to the zionist project? Because as long he still thinks Pissrael has a right to exist he is a zionist by definition

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Is this person running under the “Democratic Socialists of America“ ticket? No? Ok.

    Are there people confused as to who’s supposed to be the leftist here? I know he had a super far right tattoo but he’s running as a leftist. Hence the criticism from leftists. Do you really want me to exhaust even more reasons why I don’t vote for republicans or are you trying to win an election?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (15 children)

    The primary was not him vs. collins. You brought her up. She’s not the candidate that’s supposed to be in my party. Even though I don’t live in Maine if he claims to be a socialist I will hold him accountable. The Republican candidate does not claim socialist politics

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago* (14 children)

    He is now and He was the only viable candidate against colins. Democratic socialism is probably a pretty good path to save our democracy realistically.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    So when I focus on his faults, as a leftist, I will tell you most serious organizations would not let someone like Platner provide any lip service whatsoever. When you talk about material praxis that’s one thing, when you talk elected bourgeois officials it’s another. Graham himself isn’t necessarily the issue, it’s that the message is popular but the candidates are still controlled by the DNC, which always goes as hard as it can AGAINST real socialist policy.

    So when you see “endorsed by Bernie, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, etc.”: That’s exactly the problem, they’re no different than the establishment dems, which are pretty much diet “Susan Collins” anyways. Schumer & Elizabeth Warren are cracking $700k in AIPAC donations themselves combined. Just saying these democrat politicians aren’t your friend.

    I’d rather have a million zohran’s to criticize than this weird ass woman abusing military freak.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    I like him and most political organizations are corrupted. My dad was a green beret from Vietnam, my uncle was a marine from Vietnam (both democrats) so I know the reality of dealing with this type of trauma. I think he’s earned a chance and I think this character assassination is being funded by big money and quite obviously AIPAC. We need people to stand up to the Israeli lobby and the traitors they have infiltrated our government with and I think they are afraid. This whole psyop reminds me of when we were supposed to believe that Iran killed 30,000 protesters in two days without any evidence but we were also told to believe that only 70,000 people were killed in Gaza with three years of continuous carpet bombing and starvation. I don’t buy any of it and we need someone like him to go to Washington and stand up to all this corruption. I’m sick of this shit. Everyone is sick of this shit. Colins needs to go back to her crypt

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    That’s the thing here my friend, I don’t think voters are listening. It’s not AIPAC attacks that people like me don’t like: It’s the veteran thing. The reality is is that your uncle and father are likely grappling with witnessing and/or directly committed war crimes for America. My grandfather did in Korea as well and reading about our actions in Korea, I am very very disgusted at what my grandfather was doing there.

    Your father and uncle should spend their time educating people on the horrors of US imperialism and directly addressing how they condemn their own actions in Vietnam. They should study how the US has spent not only billions of dollars but millions of lives fighting Communism and it’s made the world a worse place. Not only fighting against socialism but also fighting civilians to extract resources using violence, and my life and your life in America directly benefit from that. My grandpa who passed in 2010 and your father/uncle should (or should have) be doing that & not be running for office. Is that something that makes sense?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Also voting against a veteran because they are a veteran while supporting a status quo candidate who is giving our tax dollars to a colony currently committing multiple genocides, bribing politicians, and forcing us into wars serves imperialism as does the purity tests

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    I don’t think slandering someone who was also a victim of the system while the system continues to meat grind us all is helpful. Blaming fellow citizens for their trauma under the machine is super lame and not beneficial to the type of solidarity we need to put an end to this cycle. My dad and uncle are dead from Agent orange diseases. Dividing the left with these purity tests and not having the capacity to understand that it’s going to take a wide variety of people from all walks of life to combat the deep corruption that has rotted all of our institutions is counterproductive to a favorable outcome. Also, like it or not people who have actually seen the consequences of imperialism in person have a lot of wisdom to share.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    They were the machine. Sorry. If you think they were oppressed in the “meat grinder”, you should see the meat grinder American soldiers put the Vietnamese and Koreans in

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Also to discount veteran’s accomplishments completely on the left is completely ignorant of historical facts. Smedley Butler ring any bells? There have been American veterans on the flotilla, veterans have been protesting ice and veterans protesting were absolutely a part of ending the Vietnam war. Excluding all the veterans from the left is a ridiculous and self defeating prospect

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I literally said before I’ve talked to plenty of anti war, anti imperialist Veterans and they don’t talk about the military the way Graham Platner does. That’s my whole point. The real ones do the work iykyk

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Excluding all the veterans from the left is a ridiculous and self defeating prospect

    I don't think anyone is saying to exclude all veterans but if you joined the wheremacht whatever the reason you may have that is a giant minus that you should have to work through before you should reasonably be trusted.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    It’s way more complicated than that because I’ve met Vietnamese people who regard American soldiers as heroes. You can sit from your position of privilege and what tell me they don’t know what they’re talking about? Two things can be true at the same time

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And I’ve met American soldiers who regard themselves in the way I do, just because you have personal anecdotes about people doesn’t make the broader historical fact any less true.

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