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[–] 18 points 5 months ago

See you all back here in one month when he goes ogre mode

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    People say “this is good because it means the messaging is popular”. I’m a little worried it’s not his message that’s popular, it’s the typical American exceptionalism with a coat of faux-leftist paint on it that’s popular. I personally feel based off pretty much nothing that their “anti war” rhetoric is just pro-American Anti war SPENDING. As soon as it’s seen as just, like a war in Iran based off lies that Iran is killing protesters, even Elizabeth Warren cheered for that before Trump did it.

    I don’t think it’s enough. I don’t like veterans. Yeah my family is full of them, but I don’t know them really and I bet they’d sell me down the river for nothing if they learned what my politics are. I’m saying I bet they’d sell would literally want to put me in jail for my ideas.

    Platner is a pro-war band aid over a gushing head wound. It may lessen the bleeding but it’s not going to be enough to even slow it for long. It pisses me off to see people not reading the writing on the wall with these murderous women abusing psychos that can just talk the talk and BOOM get elected to office despite how many red flags they have.

    I just really don’t like this guy. Call me a wrecker or unhelpful but please don’t let him speak to Arab people about military intervention, like ever.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    I am going to toot my own horn. A few days ago I wrote something that assumed he already won, and he did win!

    I thought this election already took place.

    Instead of reflecting on the fact I should know more about USA elections; I’m going to double down and assume the typical election is not worth as much as a toilet rag, and ignore them even more.

    Elections will not help anyone but the wealthy.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Why do you view Platner's success as the death of the US left? I'm missing exactly what it is that makes any of this compare realistically to the transgressions of many Republican and Democrat politicians who have had prolific careers. There will always be disagreements about when a politicians's behaviors are too much to bear, but I'm struggling to understand why this Primary win by GP signifies the end of the leftist movement in the US.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I’m not exactly sure why people say the left died with this, it’s been dead for decades. They must have a different definition than me.

    Disregarding personal scandals, This winner here is far right by European standards, is literally a war criminal and is promoted by many people who are not conductive to national health.

    Should he win the general, he will have zero positive impact.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    eh, they'll be better than Collins. presumably the propaganda machine came out in force against this guy because he's an unkown factor.

    if they knew for certain he was another hack they wouldnt have fpught so hard to kill him in the primary

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    anyone anti-establishment is a win in this climate, establishment came out in force to foght platner so far as i figure...considering which seat this is for, no matter what they can't be any worse than Collins

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    if Platner was going to just walk whatever line he was told the establishment wouldn't have came out in force trying to kill his campaign.

    far as i see...no matter what he's better than Collins, one less lizard in congress is a good thing.

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  • [+] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    presumably all republicans are nazis by whatwver scale your using, yes?

    Collins = nazi

    Platner = possible nazi

    platner still better than collins

    zionists sure did spend alot of $ against someone supposedly on their side

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    You know that the nazis tried to kill Hitler right? Been a Nazi doesn't mean everyone is in the same team agreeing 100% of the time on everything. This doesn't proves anything.

    If your options are a Nazi and a guy with a Nazi tattoo that loves to kill people you are already fucked, voting every x years alone will not save you.

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    "Pagan symbols" my guy it is literally only known for this and it is extremely well known for this, there was a whole fucking sketch about this exact symbol that everyone has been quoting for fifteen years.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    That sketch was a year old when Platner got the tattoo. Think a deployed marine was watching a lot of British sketch comedy?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    I think literally everyone else was and it was almost certainly pointed out to him extremely fucking quickly, yet he refused to change it until he was running for office. Besides, its not like the show elevated some obscure symbol: they picked an extremely well known nazi extermination unit symbol because the joke is ha ha, can you imagine anyone wearing this and not knowing they're evil? And yet they did, how ridiculous!

    Why are you hellbent on giving the benefit of the doubt against all logic to a blackwater war criminal who joined the military to kill brown people?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Why are you hellbent on slandering someone as a war criminal, even though there has never been a single allegation that he committed a single act that would count as a war crime?

    The dude was using a makeshift mortar to fire at densely populated urban areas even though using mortars where forbidden because the amount of civilians that got murdered was to high even for the us army standards.

    https://imgur.com/a/wY3l0Ki

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/e613vv/iraq_us_marines_in_ramadi_use_an_mk19_grenade/

    And no, it is an obscure symbol, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

    It was on one of the only two symbols on the head of Heinrich Himmler. It was on every camp guard uniform. It was so ubiquitous and well known, a british comedy show made a sketch about it 60 years later and everybody knew what they meant. Get the fuck outta here talking about the "obscure" SS units that manned the concencentration camps. Talk about disingenous...

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Did the former abu ghraib guard that was all about military history never see a picture of any concentration camp guard? Has he never seen a movie about a concentration camp? Because that's what the SS deaths heads units were, the people that staffed the concentration camps and the totenkopf was what they wore on their caps and their uniforms. Guess what's on the cap of Heinrich Himmler? It's not the "runes" it's the totenkopf. The reason that sketch chose that skull is because of it's prominence.

    But yeah let's have the blackwater merc with an SS totenkopf lead the antizionist yanks. Fucking bonkers.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Totenkopf is not pagan symbol LMAO.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Incredible how much liberals twist facts. Literal totenkopf tattoo and all the excuses made for it and how defensive they get..... to defend a literal nazi

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Also, maybe stop calling everyone and their mother a Nazi if you want people to take your POV seriously. You all spent the last 18 years dumbing that word down significantly

    I remember the last group of people to use this exact line, back in like 2015 before they all publicly became nazis. Now it looks like it's the liberal's turn.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago*

    Platner doesn’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of symbols.

    Motherfucker it's the fucking Totenkopf not some fucking obscure symbol from a lost civilization.

    I care that he’s one of a handful of people who intend to use the power of a Senate seat to kick billionaires in the dick. (Instead of lying to me about it, which is what centrists do.)

    Guess what's going to happen soon enough. (He is lying).

    Also, maybe stop calling everyone and their mother a Nazi if you want people to take your POV seriously.

    If USians want to be taken seriously then don't champion for a fucking blackwater mercenary who enjoyed working at Abu Ghraib of all things. Dude loved killing like that the fuck do you mean?

    The irony is that the Dems you support just voted to give ICE and CBP another 70 billion, btw.

    LMAOOOO hooolyy fuck. This is what electoralism does to your brain, you think that by opposing one side that surely this means you support the other. No, the entire system is deliberately structured to always serve capital first and foremost. It would never allow any harm to it and Platner is not going to do so.

    Dems and Reps are 2 sides of the same coin. Just happens that dems sometimes "care" about domestic policies while both are absolute fucking monsters when it comes to foreign policy (hey, something Platner loves!).

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    They keep calling him a Nazi while supporting candidates who are using our tax dollars to commit an ongoing genocide. That’s Nazi behavior. Committing genocide is Nazi behavior. Supporting genocide is Nazi behavior. Platner does none of these things

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    Dude is literally a 5 tour marine.

    Yeah he loved it so much he kept coming back, bragged about loving killing and was stationed at Abu Ghraib. A literal blackwater mercenary with a Totenkropf tattoo.

    USians deserve to suffer if he is their hope..

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This does raise a good question from a socialist perspective: Can someone even as far gone as Plattner change? Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.

    Being in the Red Army is not equivalent to being a Senator. You don't fuck up and then go into politics and seek out a leadership position as a "second chance." That's not forgiveness, that's just failing to hold politicians accountable and letting powerful people get away with shit.

    Humility is a requirement of forgiveness and seeking public office is in complete contradiction to that. You want forgiveness, go volunteer at a soup kitchen or some shit. Don't fuck up and then immediately go, "I think I deserve to be invested with power."

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (30 children)

    So you’re saying Colin’s is the best choice?!?! We know she’s a magat pro genocide Nazi. Dude is anti Israel at a time Israel has literally infiltrated our government for nefarious purposes. I would take platner a million times over. My dad was a special forces multiple tour combat veteran from Vietnam who ended up becoming a hippie! People change war changes people and he has earned my respect.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (29 children)

    Slightly changing the meme:

    Lemmy the only place where well-articulated sentences still get misinterpreted. You can say “I don't like pancakes” and somebody will say “So you love waffles?” Dats a whole new sentence. Wtf is you talkin about.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    Show me actual evidence that this guy is worse than Collins.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (25 children)

    Who here is talking about KKKollinSS?? That's a whole other person

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    Ok??? Because two demons are fighting for a seat at the devils table we shouldn't point out that the one the so-called leftists hope will be on their side and is supportive of the resistance to genocide is in fact a demon and that the whole thing is a sham?

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    Please make your point or leave it be

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    She’s a pro genocide Nazi. He is not

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    how do you know he isn't pro genocide?

    Edit: well ...

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    He’s endorsed by track AIPAC because he doesn’t take Israeli lobby money.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Ok? Is that it? Not being corrupt on the record is all it takes? What are his views about death to the zionist project? Because as long he still thinks Pissrael has a right to exist he is a zionist by definition

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Is this person running under the “Democratic Socialists of America“ ticket? No? Ok.

    Are there people confused as to who’s supposed to be the leftist here? I know he had a super far right tattoo but he’s running as a leftist. Hence the criticism from leftists. Do you really want me to exhaust even more reasons why I don’t vote for republicans or are you trying to win an election?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (15 children)

    The primary was not him vs. collins. You brought her up. She’s not the candidate that’s supposed to be in my party. Even though I don’t live in Maine if he claims to be a socialist I will hold him accountable. The Republican candidate does not claim socialist politics

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago* (14 children)

    He is now and He was the only viable candidate against colins. Democratic socialism is probably a pretty good path to save our democracy realistically.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    So when I focus on his faults, as a leftist, I will tell you most serious organizations would not let someone like Platner provide any lip service whatsoever. When you talk about material praxis that’s one thing, when you talk elected bourgeois officials it’s another. Graham himself isn’t necessarily the issue, it’s that the message is popular but the candidates are still controlled by the DNC, which always goes as hard as it can AGAINST real socialist policy.

    So when you see “endorsed by Bernie, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, etc.”: That’s exactly the problem, they’re no different than the establishment dems, which are pretty much diet “Susan Collins” anyways. Schumer & Elizabeth Warren are cracking $700k in AIPAC donations themselves combined. Just saying these democrat politicians aren’t your friend.

    I’d rather have a million zohran’s to criticize than this weird ass woman abusing military freak.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    I like him and most political organizations are corrupted. My dad was a green beret from Vietnam, my uncle was a marine from Vietnam (both democrats) so I know the reality of dealing with this type of trauma. I think he’s earned a chance and I think this character assassination is being funded by big money and quite obviously AIPAC. We need people to stand up to the Israeli lobby and the traitors they have infiltrated our government with and I think they are afraid. This whole psyop reminds me of when we were supposed to believe that Iran killed 30,000 protesters in two days without any evidence but we were also told to believe that only 70,000 people were killed in Gaza with three years of continuous carpet bombing and starvation. I don’t buy any of it and we need someone like him to go to Washington and stand up to all this corruption. I’m sick of this shit. Everyone is sick of this shit. Colins needs to go back to her crypt

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    That’s the thing here my friend, I don’t think voters are listening. It’s not AIPAC attacks that people like me don’t like: It’s the veteran thing. The reality is is that your uncle and father are likely grappling with witnessing and/or directly committed war crimes for America. My grandfather did in Korea as well and reading about our actions in Korea, I am very very disgusted at what my grandfather was doing there.

    Your father and uncle should spend their time educating people on the horrors of US imperialism and directly addressing how they condemn their own actions in Vietnam. They should study how the US has spent not only billions of dollars but millions of lives fighting Communism and it’s made the world a worse place. Not only fighting against socialism but also fighting civilians to extract resources using violence, and my life and your life in America directly benefit from that. My grandpa who passed in 2010 and your father/uncle should (or should have) be doing that & not be running for office. Is that something that makes sense?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    I don’t think slandering someone who was also a victim of the system while the system continues to meat grind us all is helpful. Blaming fellow citizens for their trauma under the machine is super lame and not beneficial to the type of solidarity we need to put an end to this cycle. My dad and uncle are dead from Agent orange diseases. Dividing the left with these purity tests and not having the capacity to understand that it’s going to take a wide variety of people from all walks of life to combat the deep corruption that has rotted all of our institutions is counterproductive to a favorable outcome. Also, like it or not people who have actually seen the consequences of imperialism in person have a lot of wisdom to share.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    They were the machine. Sorry. If you think they were oppressed in the “meat grinder”, you should see the meat grinder American soldiers put the Vietnamese and Koreans in

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    Also to discount veteran’s accomplishments completely on the left is completely ignorant of historical facts. Smedley Butler ring any bells? There have been American veterans on the flotilla, veterans have been protesting ice and veterans protesting were absolutely a part of ending the Vietnam war. Excluding all the veterans from the left is a ridiculous and self defeating prospect

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I literally said before I’ve talked to plenty of anti war, anti imperialist Veterans and they don’t talk about the military the way Graham Platner does. That’s my whole point. The real ones do the work iykyk

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    Excluding all the veterans from the left is a ridiculous and self defeating prospect

    I don't think anyone is saying to exclude all veterans but if you joined the wheremacht whatever the reason you may have that is a giant minus that you should have to work through before you should reasonably be trusted.

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    It’s way more complicated than that because I’ve met Vietnamese people who regard American soldiers as heroes. You can sit from your position of privilege and what tell me they don’t know what they’re talking about? Two things can be true at the same time

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And I’ve met American soldiers who regard themselves in the way I do, just because you have personal anecdotes about people doesn’t make the broader historical fact any less true.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Also voting against a veteran because they are a veteran while supporting a status quo candidate who is giving our tax dollars to a colony currently committing multiple genocides, bribing politicians, and forcing us into wars serves imperialism as does the purity tests

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    As a single-issue voter. He is pro-medicare-for-all and that is the litmus test for me.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah some people would literally vote for Hitler if he offered you just one tiny concession

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I guess some people would vote for Hitler(?) But that is a non-issue for the 2026 Maine Democratic US Senate Primary.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    single issue voting literally means you’d vote for someone committing genocide or enabling apartheid if the one issue you’d vote for is free healthcare for citizens. Thats closer to National Socialism than Democratic…

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Fortunately the specific tenants of National Socialism aren't applicable to voting in the 2026 semi-closed Democratic primary of the US State of Maine. Especially considering the choices were "Pro-genocide" or "pro medicare-for-all" Seems like an easy choice to me.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    DNC is directly & actively responsible for genocide in Gaza. So if your single issue is Healthcare, you’d vote for someone throwing people into concentration camps to get that. It’s literally, by definition, your “single issue”. It’s the dumbest shit ever.

    If you don’t think Nazism is still an issue in 2026 you haven’t been paying attention to American Politics. Graham Platner had one of the most recognizable SS/National Socialist/Nazi emblems tattooed on him for years while he went to a middle eastern country and killed brown people. The richest person in the world saluted Hitler on stage. Biden killed atleast thousands of literal children. You should be aware of fascism in 2026. Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t mean shit it’s still a very real problem in white America.

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