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[–] 19 points 5 months ago (9 children)

China treats LGBT folks equally to cishets.

Looks inside

No gay marriage

So the definition of systemic homophobia. Not even the bare minimum.

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    No, they can just legally join in partnership and have all of the same government incentives as married people... They just don't call it marriage since marriage is for incentivizing procreation.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    People would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

    https://legalclarity.org/is-gay-marriage-legal-in-china-rights-and-options/

    And let's live in the alternate reality you're talking about for a minute. Can two straight people get married in China with no intention of procreation? Can two gay people get married if they're planning to adopt? Can they even adopt? Come on man, I get being wrong, but don't double down on it.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And let’s live in the alternate reality you’re talking about for a minute

    We've been in reality for quite a bit.

    Can two straight people get married in China with no intention of procreation?

    It'd be really, really weird culturally and a huge risk most aren't willing to take. Also if you're a straight foreigner marrying a chinese national your application will almost certainly be denied if you state you're not willing to have kids, since that'll be seen as a fake marriage trying to gain Chinese spousal residency.

    Can two gay people get married if they’re planning to adopt?

    Since they can enter into a mutual guardianship and adopt yes? You people get tripped up on the word 'Marriage' way too much. A rephrasing would be can two gay people cohabitate, share full financial resources, get tax breaks, and adopt? Sure. Can they get 'married'? No. The difference is entirely without substance at this point, but because Stalin was so incredibly anti-gay, we're still suffering through the lasting 'but that's not the right way' nonsense cultural war he started so you can't call it marriage.

    Can they even adopt?

    Yes.

    Come on man, I get being wrong, but don’t double down on it.

    I live here half the year, dumbass. You are objectively the incorrect one, in anything you say about China.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Would two gay men in guardianship refer to each other as their 'husband' (i.e. the word that a heterosexual couple would use), or is there a different word for it? Not trying to be argumentative just curious how closely guardianship is culturally associated with marriage.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    It entirely depends on the couple and region, 老公 (basically husband, most commonly heard between long time girlfriends to their boyfriends) is common enough to count, but 情人 can and is also used, which is closer to 'lover' but is used for any type of close intimate relationship including cishet married couples.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I had thougt that was limited to certain cities?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Nope Guardianship is available country-wide (I can't find an english language document that goes into more recent updates which allow property and tax breaks.) Beijing, Hong Kong, and the entire province of Taiwan all recognize marriages from outside of china though, which is where that gets confused.

    Unfortunately the overall chinese public isn't really up to voting for more explicitly stated parity of rights due to a lack of educational push in that direction, which is compounded by the general public's lack of interest, and so on.

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