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[–] 19 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Did they ever address why some ships have gone over warp 10, even though hitting warp 10 means you occupy all points in the universe simultaneously?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The scale changed from TOS to TNG. Then in All Good Things which is the only other time we've seen it presumably they changed the scale again.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And then back for Picard when the max sustainable is warp 9.99.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nah AGT and Picard don't happen in the same timeline. AGT was some sort of alternate timeline. But the events of the Prime timeline diverge enough from the AGT timeline that it makes more sense that the new warp scale was unique to the AGT timeline and didn't happen in the Prime.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    They certainly exist separate of each other. That we all have to call into question the timelines is half the fun.

    Concerning times they exceeded warp 10 in TOS:

    • "By Any Other Name" - ROJAN: And we'll go faster yet. Increase speed to warp eleven.
    • "The Changeling" - ENGINEER: It just won't stop, Mister Scott. Warp eleven!

    The narrative awareness and scaling has changed over time. I imagine largely due to people like us.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The TNG Technical Manual explains the change, it went from a cubic function to a logarithmic function along with some technobabble justification for why. There's also some interesting background info and formulas on Memory Alpha, apparently the scale change happened in 2312 according to some magazine.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I forget which episode used it, but there was a graph of the "warp barriers" on one of the ships. Maybe Archer's Enterprise. It's on Google. Anyway the graph shows the different energy thresholds that must be output when moving between different velocity levels. Presumably every warp level was at least double the previous amount (edit, it's actually exponential!). The chat can extend beyond warp-10 but there may be a cutoff point where the energy required to push into the next threshold is no longer an effective use of resources.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    It's inconsistent. Canonically in most Trek warp 10 asymptotically approaches infinity, which is why you see a lot of nine-point-nine-something when really high speeds come up, but every now and then the writers forget and you'll hear about exceeding warp 10.

    You also have things like transwarp, quantum slipstream, or the proto-drive which operate on different principles and don't follow the warp curve. Their equivalent warp factors would just involve stacking up ever more 9s after the decimal point, but their speeds aren't typically expressed in terms of warp.

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