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Carneyism without Carney - Cory Doctorow (pluralistic.net)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/canadapolitics@lemmy.ca
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[–] 5 points 5 months ago (9 children)

I appreciate the points Doctorow makes, but I'm one of those people that feels trapped, voting against something instead of voting for something.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    In FPTP, the rational option is to vote the less worst option on election day, and you get up to 4 years of days to push for your ideal. People just forget about all those days and get apathetic about the one day that requires compromise to get something done.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I felt the same way, but looking at the policies being enacted I find myself asking: what did I vote against that isnt happening now?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Buddy buddiness with Trump and MAGA The only reason why Pierre Poilievre's is doing his pretend to stick up for Canada act is because they failed to keep the momentum they had through the winter before the election.

    He would have cheered on the whole ICE thing (securing borders blah blah blah), actively antagonized anti-Trump protest, and shown support or played PR for everything we think abhorrent that the Trump administration has done over the last 18 months. And if you allow me to speculate for a minute, PP could have paved the way for ICE's involvement or joint operations with certain police departments in Canada.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    I don't think we've really had a substantial difference in our current administration aside from the rhetoric of resistance. Canada has significantly increased deportations since Carney came to power and has been increasingly operating in an ICE-like fashion.

    The OP details how on tech stuff, Carney seems very comfortable with kowtowing to American companies and the demands of the US government. In tiher aspects of trade, have we seen Carney make any gains with Trump in power that can be reasonably attributed to Carney?

    So far, to me, "elbows up" seems restricted to building pipelines in Canada and making military deals with other countries. Is that really a substantial difference with how Poillievre would have operated?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I think it's a valid argument to make, that rhetorically Carney is progressive but his government's legislative actions are more conservative like Harper or Chrétien. But Poilievre is not like either of those two I compared Carney to.

    If I were to name one concrete difference between how the two would govern that is based on public actions/statements and not speculation, Carney is keeping the Toronto-Quebec High Speed Rail project going through its design until its groundbreaking, where Poilievre would have cancelled it with no legitimate alternative.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah that's fair, HSR is sorely needed and im glad it hasn't been canceled. CBC was also mentioned by vinceman and thats another positive difference. These feel like minor gains though when you look at the systematic defunding of most government services (including CBC).

    I think it is reasonable to say we are better off with Carney than Poillievre, but it just does not seem significant enough to justify voting for liberal rather than NDP next time. Thats just ny opinion though

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