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[–] 56 points 5 months ago (23 children)

It's kind of sad that people are so motivated by jealousy. Like why would I care if other people have it better?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    I think jealousy gets a bad rap. It tells you what you want, and what you personally or society could work toward.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Jealousy and envy are not the same thing, although the nuance is subtle. What you're talking about is closer to envy. You can be envious of something or someone without the hostility that turns it into jealousy.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I disagree. I believe that you choose for it to be envy or jealousy by your definition.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    It's not my definition. That is the subtle difference between the two words. But, most people use both words for the same thing, and most people only use the word jealousy for both things.

    Merriam Webster has an interesting paragraph on the page for jealousy about it: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jealousy

    You can also check the definitions of jealous and envious yourself, you'll see that one is defined through hostility of some sort.

    The nuance is usually clear through context no matter which word you use, though. But I think that when you use it in a generic manner like you did, using the right word is best.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Again, both words are responses to the emotion and a choice.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    What my friend was conveying is that envy is the want for something--usually that another has--and jealousy is the fear of losing something that one already has.

    The interchangeable usage, e.g. by teenagers, based on a vague understanding is just that (for adults it crystalizes into something normative though they're probably unaware of it, ego defense mechanisms lol).

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone loves Nietche but no one is actually living Nietche. Sure it's a useful tool if you stop, analyze this emotion and built from it but how many people are actually capable of this in practice? Instead people just get captured by the emotion and never progress.

    I don't think pop culture will ever view jealousy as a positive emotion until we collectively learn emotions.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Seeing what someone else has and taking that as information to then decide what you want is not jealousy. Jealousy is seeing what someone else has and hating them for it. It deserves a bad rap.

    You’re talking about ambition, or something else.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think it is fair for a person dedicating years of life towards higher education and becoming a professional to earn the same as someone who doesn't. Its not jealousy, its just unfair. If earnings are flat, what motivates someone from getting educated and growing as a person?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Lots of people get degrees in lower-earning fields because they value working on things that are interesting or meaningful to them more than they value the income tradeoff. Growing as a person is its own reward.

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    The crab will legit only escape and live if it gets enough other crabs under it to reach the rim of the bucket. I guess you’re saying people act like that even when they don’t need to?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

    The metaphor is derived from anecdotal claims about the behavior of crabs contained in an open bucket: if a crab starts to climb out,[3] it will be pulled back in by the others, ensuring the group's collective demise.[4][5][6]

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    The US was build on the "fuck you I got mine" mentality.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    If you consider the monarchies it came from, this was a big improvement. To even open up the possibility of someone “getting theirs” without any birthright to it was a revelation in its time. But now we’re ready for the next thing.

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