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What is your opinion on the morality of bringing a child into this world? (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/GenerationZ@lemmy.world
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[–] 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I have 3 kids. They all seem happy to exist and we are having a wonderful time.

Sure the world isn't going the way I prefer but it's still chugging along and we have what we need. We even get to do fun stuff together. You all are missing out. Our kids are not doomed to some horrible apocalypse.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Same. Depends on your outlook IMHO and your capacity to learn and adapt.

    There is no problem that can't be fixed and no problem that won't be fixed without youth on board. I'd have more kids and it would be a blessing if I do one day.

    There's a great saying though which I say a lot and applies to having kids. Having kids you will never be ready you just need to do it. After you rip off the bandaid it becomes "in for a penny, in for a pound" which is to say you're fucked anyways might as well go for broke.

    My theory on dropping birthrates stems a lot to the fucked up philosophies of Ayn Rand. People are way too full of themselves now and social media is a lot to blame.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'd blame falling birthrates on the fact that everyone is poor and too busy working jobs to actually have a life. Dating is awful right now, and people can't even afford living in a house. On top of that global warming threatens to plunge the world into chaos in the next 50 years and our government is falling into fascism at an alarming rate.

    " There is no problem that can't be fixed and no problem that won't be fixed without youth on board"

    There are absolutely problems that can't be fixed; Even with youth on board. When those problems have already started before you were born and their ramifications will be felt for centuries, and you see earlier generations who caused it doing next to nothing to stop it, a lot of people lose hope for the future.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    There are absolutely problems that can't be fixed; Even with youth on board.

    This makes me sad because it's unequivocally false but for someone to believe this in their core is such a societal failure.

    What if you were to say that to Nelson Mandela? Che Guevara? Stephen Hawking? Winston Churchill?

    Humans are insanely ingenious and have it in their capacity to solve any problem. Your unwillingness to engage in that is individual and equally frustrating. Luckily I will argue people like you are in the vast minority and outside of The Internet discourse many of us are in the real world striving to make it a better place.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    The problems we are facing are a magnitude larger than the issues any of those people faced. And I say that not to diminish what they have accomplished but to emphasize how big of an issue climate change is going to be. In the next 50 years we are going to see an unprecedented amount of suffering, as large populated areas start becoming unliveable. And this is already in motion. Even if we found a solution to these issues today the momentum of climate change means it is already too late to mitigate the disaster we are facing. I'm sure we will solve many issues to help us diminish the damage, but I still fully expect billions of people will be suffering from famine and climate related expulsion.

    People like you who blindly say "oh we'll get through this we can solve any problem!" ignore how big of a mess the prior generations have caused for our children. If I was becoming aware of the world I was born into in 10 years, I sure as hell would be really pissed that my parents are handing me an unsolvable crisis that their parents and then they ignored.

    This makes me sad because it's unequivocally false but for someone to believe this in their core is such a societal failure.

    You're right, our society DID FAIL US! And that is the core of the issue. If our society had actually given a damn about future generations 40 years ago we wouldn't be in this mess.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Listen, and please listen. I'm 48. I grew up from birth listening to David Suzuki and Bob MacDonald on CBC. Since a small child I have known we are killing the planet. Oceans are acidifying and warming up. Coral reefs are dying. Species are in mass extinction. This has been 40 years my generation has personally experienced.

    We are jaded as fuck. We are the smaller crunch generation. We had and have limited political power. We are stuck as the first generation to have to raise and support kids who can't leave home and parents who are living longer and poor. I will repeat we are jaded as fuck.

    But you know what? Life goes on because only a pussy gives up and the wheels are going to grind you down regardless so you may as well fight.

    You will, in many ways rightly, highlight "well this is different!" and in many ways it is. Which is why I will repeat, are you a bitch who gives up or will you fight? Fight locally by supporting local businesses. Fight locally by working on influencing your friends and family to change their views. Vote for those who will change things for the better while being pragmatic that positive change takes time. Acknowledge what you can change and what you can't and accept that.

    I know it's hard and it's hackneyed but at lot of the youth and people in general need to get off their phones and talk to the people in their community. This online world is toxic and does not reflect reality. The world is going to survive with or without you.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I'm not giving up for a second. But that's not what this conversation is about. I just consider bringing a kid into this world that is already running into issues with a population running out of control as a move completely counter to what we need. I don't think no one should ever have kids again, but I do think people should be far more choosy about how many children they are having. And society needs to shift to a model where having a declining population doesn't completely ruin the economy.

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