Oh I'm not giving up for a second. But that's not what this conversation is about. I just consider bringing a kid into this world that is already running into issues with a population running out of control as a move completely counter to what we need. I don't think no one should ever have kids again, but I do think people should be far more choosy about how many children they are having. And society needs to shift to a model where having a declining population doesn't completely ruin the economy.