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[+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) The state ownership of production is deliberate, and aimed at improving efficiency and allowing forward planning. One (or a few, if you want competition) large factory is more efficient than a bunch of smaller workshops. State ownership can lead to corruption, as you pointed out, but it is a conscious choice and not happenstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) State ownership has both advantages and disadvantages; I just wanted to point out that it was a deliberate choice. The state at national level should be limited to providing facilitation, infrastructure, defence and foreign policy. Independent Local governments should provide the bulk of public services. What do you do when some regions are poorer than others, or one gets hit by a natural disaster? Again, it isn't black and white. There are advantages to both centralisation and devolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago since that has the longest track record in failure Failure in achieving what? A natural disaster would be handled by regional or national disaster response agencies. How would there be a national disaster response agency without central planning? Who would fund it? Who would run it? Since after the industrial revolution, the high productivity of cities has been subsidizing the wealth of the suburbs and rural areas to the significant detriment of overall productivity. Are cities actually more productive, or is their higher productivity subsidised by rural areas? you will find that the wealth and productive density per person will balance according to the inherit environmental factors to a much larger degree. Perhaps, but is that what you want? The resource-poor societies of Central Asia lie between theresource-rich China and Europe. Would a theoretical Eurasian government not want to subsidise people living in these regions, so that they can service the trade routes between China and Europe? a lack of central control and planning does not prevent collaboration and coordination from occuring between entities. Who mediates disputes, and who enforces their decisions? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago Ownership by the socialist state is the only way to actually collectivize production and distribution, and thereby end class society and the basis of the state. Ownership at a societal level is the solution, not at the level of individual producers. What you are creating is a form of cooperative-based economy that replicates the larger problems with capitalism, and prevents the transition to classless society run to fulfill the needs of everyone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) The state ownership of production is deliberate, and aimed at improving efficiency and allowing forward planning. One (or a few, if you want competition) large factory is more efficient than a bunch of smaller workshops. State ownership can lead to corruption, as you pointed out, but it is a conscious choice and not happenstance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) State ownership has both advantages and disadvantages; I just wanted to point out that it was a deliberate choice. The state at national level should be limited to providing facilitation, infrastructure, defence and foreign policy. Independent Local governments should provide the bulk of public services. What do you do when some regions are poorer than others, or one gets hit by a natural disaster? Again, it isn't black and white. There are advantages to both centralisation and devolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago since that has the longest track record in failure Failure in achieving what? A natural disaster would be handled by regional or national disaster response agencies. How would there be a national disaster response agency without central planning? Who would fund it? Who would run it? Since after the industrial revolution, the high productivity of cities has been subsidizing the wealth of the suburbs and rural areas to the significant detriment of overall productivity. Are cities actually more productive, or is their higher productivity subsidised by rural areas? you will find that the wealth and productive density per person will balance according to the inherit environmental factors to a much larger degree. Perhaps, but is that what you want? The resource-poor societies of Central Asia lie between theresource-rich China and Europe. Would a theoretical Eurasian government not want to subsidise people living in these regions, so that they can service the trade routes between China and Europe? a lack of central control and planning does not prevent collaboration and coordination from occuring between entities. Who mediates disputes, and who enforces their decisions? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) State ownership has both advantages and disadvantages; I just wanted to point out that it was a deliberate choice. The state at national level should be limited to providing facilitation, infrastructure, defence and foreign policy. Independent Local governments should provide the bulk of public services. What do you do when some regions are poorer than others, or one gets hit by a natural disaster? Again, it isn't black and white. There are advantages to both centralisation and devolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago since that has the longest track record in failure Failure in achieving what? A natural disaster would be handled by regional or national disaster response agencies. How would there be a national disaster response agency without central planning? Who would fund it? Who would run it? Since after the industrial revolution, the high productivity of cities has been subsidizing the wealth of the suburbs and rural areas to the significant detriment of overall productivity. Are cities actually more productive, or is their higher productivity subsidised by rural areas? you will find that the wealth and productive density per person will balance according to the inherit environmental factors to a much larger degree. Perhaps, but is that what you want? The resource-poor societies of Central Asia lie between theresource-rich China and Europe. Would a theoretical Eurasian government not want to subsidise people living in these regions, so that they can service the trade routes between China and Europe? a lack of central control and planning does not prevent collaboration and coordination from occuring between entities. Who mediates disputes, and who enforces their decisions? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) State ownership has both advantages and disadvantages; I just wanted to point out that it was a deliberate choice. The state at national level should be limited to providing facilitation, infrastructure, defence and foreign policy. Independent Local governments should provide the bulk of public services. What do you do when some regions are poorer than others, or one gets hit by a natural disaster? Again, it isn't black and white. There are advantages to both centralisation and devolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago since that has the longest track record in failure Failure in achieving what? A natural disaster would be handled by regional or national disaster response agencies. How would there be a national disaster response agency without central planning? Who would fund it? Who would run it? Since after the industrial revolution, the high productivity of cities has been subsidizing the wealth of the suburbs and rural areas to the significant detriment of overall productivity. Are cities actually more productive, or is their higher productivity subsidised by rural areas? you will find that the wealth and productive density per person will balance according to the inherit environmental factors to a much larger degree. Perhaps, but is that what you want? The resource-poor societies of Central Asia lie between theresource-rich China and Europe. Would a theoretical Eurasian government not want to subsidise people living in these regions, so that they can service the trade routes between China and Europe? a lack of central control and planning does not prevent collaboration and coordination from occuring between entities. Who mediates disputes, and who enforces their decisions? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago since that has the longest track record in failure Failure in achieving what? A natural disaster would be handled by regional or national disaster response agencies. How would there be a national disaster response agency without central planning? Who would fund it? Who would run it? Since after the industrial revolution, the high productivity of cities has been subsidizing the wealth of the suburbs and rural areas to the significant detriment of overall productivity. Are cities actually more productive, or is their higher productivity subsidised by rural areas? you will find that the wealth and productive density per person will balance according to the inherit environmental factors to a much larger degree. Perhaps, but is that what you want? The resource-poor societies of Central Asia lie between theresource-rich China and Europe. Would a theoretical Eurasian government not want to subsidise people living in these regions, so that they can service the trade routes between China and Europe? a lack of central control and planning does not prevent collaboration and coordination from occuring between entities. Who mediates disputes, and who enforces their decisions? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago since that has the longest track record in failure Failure in achieving what? A natural disaster would be handled by regional or national disaster response agencies. How would there be a national disaster response agency without central planning? Who would fund it? Who would run it? Since after the industrial revolution, the high productivity of cities has been subsidizing the wealth of the suburbs and rural areas to the significant detriment of overall productivity. Are cities actually more productive, or is their higher productivity subsidised by rural areas? you will find that the wealth and productive density per person will balance according to the inherit environmental factors to a much larger degree. Perhaps, but is that what you want? The resource-poor societies of Central Asia lie between theresource-rich China and Europe. Would a theoretical Eurasian government not want to subsidise people living in these regions, so that they can service the trade routes between China and Europe? a lack of central control and planning does not prevent collaboration and coordination from occuring between entities. Who mediates disputes, and who enforces their decisions? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago Ownership by the socialist state is the only way to actually collectivize production and distribution, and thereby end class society and the basis of the state. Ownership at a societal level is the solution, not at the level of individual producers. What you are creating is a form of cooperative-based economy that replicates the larger problems with capitalism, and prevents the transition to classless society run to fulfill the needs of everyone. permalink fedilink source parent