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Immigrants don't take our jobs (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/47196845

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[–] 17 points 5 months ago (8 children)

My response to this is always: if a homeless person with no money or credentials wearing their only set of clothes with no friends or connections unable to speak the local language and requiring the boss to risk legal fines asks for a job and the boss chooses them over you.. What does that say about you?

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    What does that say about you?

    I mean... not much? Everything you listed except for the part about the employer risking fines is a positive to the capitalist. And the fines are just a cost of doing business.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The employee not speaking the local language is a positive? Then why are the homeless not employed? If not having a stable home or clean clothes a positive... Where the fuck do you work so I can i avoid it? The smell alone.

    Yes they are all signs of desperation. Maybe you could argue they are indicators the person will accept lower wage and as such less expense to the employer. That said it's hardly a positive... If I owned a laundry mat and hiring an attendant(easy job, no real requirements) I would want a person who can interact with customers, who didn't have an odor, who had a stable way to pay. It may cost more, but I'd likely get more customers.

    I'm not saying immigrants are less then local people(how ever you interpret that) but native citizens have a huge advantage. If I move to India and don't speak Indian, don't know anyone there, have no training, don't have a place to live,l, barely can cloth myself... I don't expect many job opportunities. Nothing against India, same with Germany or Gambia or any country you pick.

    If you fail to cross even that minimal bar then... If you can cross that bar great, be welcome. It like a game of say super smash bros and the immigrant has a mandatory handicap of -100(should probably be higher) ...its much more likely for you to pick the non-handicap person then the handicap one. If the non-handicap still fails to win with that advantage they are not a good player.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yes they are all signs of desperation. Maybe you could argue they are indicators the person will accept lower wage and as such less expense to the employer.

    Yes, that's my point exactly. These are workers with no social safety net, no knowledge of local labour laws, no union membership and a desperate want to not have to go back to where they came from. They are ripe for abuse.

    Then why are the homeless not employed?

    Because the reason they're homeless to begin with is that they could not find or hold a job. Usually this is because of untreated mental illness and substance abuse problems.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    On your second point I agree. My initial point was that should encourage them to change/get help and not blame immigrants. If you have those issues and don't fix them you will still be unemployed regardless of immigrants. You can fix them and improve your situation but even if we had 0 immigrants, no one will voluntarily hire a meth addict who shows up 10% of the time.

    I'm pro-immigrant. My point was against people against them. If you are native to your country and can't compete vs an illegal immigrant that's a you problem. A native has so many advantages and the immigrant has so many struggles, it's like the lowest bar.

    "they are taking are jobs" people are basically complaining about the mice taking droppings from their feast.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I'm not arguing against immigration, just against abusive employment practices.

    A lot of the present-day immigration is facilitated by neoliberal globalists looking to drive down the price of work by introducing competition for unskilled labour (well, all labour really, but this is especially common for unskilled labour). They first offshored their production to countries with lax labour laws and cheap labour, and now that they've offshored everything they could, the only way they can further drive down labour costs is by driving them down locally.

    In other words, the "they are taking the jobs" people are not entirely incorrect, though they are still barking up the wrong tree by blaming the immigrants rather than the people hiring them. But the rest of us must also not be blind to the fact that the current model of immigration is built to benefit multinational companies and billionaires, not so much anyone else.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The "no friends or connections" comment isn't true because they have a network already setup and if they aren't interacting with the customer directly then why would they need to speak the local language?

    I don't blame the immigrants for their goals of a better life, it's logical to take advantage of the situation. It's also logical for the employer to take advantage of cheap labor. It's also logical for me to offer something that the immigrants can't to keep myself employed if I working the same field.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    Ok, they may know people local, I'll grant that. They need to speak local language to understand written instructions, to interact with co-workers, to understand what is needed for them to do.

    I think your last point is the same as mine. You should offer something that is advantageous compared to an immigrant. You have a massive advantage. If you can't do that it doesn't matter since you definitely won't be able to compete with natives with whom you don't have a massive advantage.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Beside the point. Some people have arrangements with homelessness services orgs specifically to hire homeless folk because they are signed up with a program that pays their payroll taxes or something, I can't remember exactly what the grant we got set up was it was ages ago.

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