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[+] starik@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 months ago (14 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (12 children) They're just the backup, after all. Do you really think the military would put up a fight? Or even the police? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 12 points 5 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (10 children) I don’t think one can expect even the slightest resistance from the police in a crisis, since their leadership is largely made up of the same people who elected these crooks to the White House. I believe the circumstances surrounding the military’s current war against Iran - a war that violates both international law and U.S. law, during which they are committing the most serious war crimes - clearly indicate that no resistance is to be expected from them either. Furthermore, all generals critical of the regime have already been removed. In Short: Both the police and the military are led predominantly by MAGA officials who would benefit from the establishment of a dictatorship. I therefore do not think they would offer resistance in a crisis - they could do so right now given the obvious crimes the regime commits on a daily basis, but they just do not. I think it will simply turn out however the oligarchs who actually control the U.S. decide. If they want a dictatorship modeled on the Russian one, that’s exactly what will happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) Yes, that’s true: the methods of oppression in the U.S. are still relatively subtle at the moment. However, that doesn’t change the fact that in the U.S., too, a tiny elite exploits the country while standing above the law - a point proven by the very fact that the current president is, in fact, president rather than serving a life sentence in prison. What I’m getting at is this: It would be easier for this elite to switch to the Russian model. I consider it likely that they intend to do so, since the current regime demonstrates on a daily basis that the most serious crimes in the US always go unpunished - so why even maintain the facade when it’s already abundantly clear that the law simply doesn’t apply to the powerful elite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] socsa@piefed.social 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I think something people aren't quite realizing with the whole "weaponization fund" is that it's subtlety removing the jury from the criminal justice equation, which has so far been one of the primary reasons Trump has not been able to get any convictions against his enemies. It's subtle because it's doing it in the other direction first, but it send a very clear message that juries might no longer have the final say in determining guilt or innocence moving forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago competent, no, but well armed? yes. never forget that quantity has a quality of its own, and ICE has been recruiting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (12 children) They're just the backup, after all. Do you really think the military would put up a fight? Or even the police? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 12 points 5 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (10 children) I don’t think one can expect even the slightest resistance from the police in a crisis, since their leadership is largely made up of the same people who elected these crooks to the White House. I believe the circumstances surrounding the military’s current war against Iran - a war that violates both international law and U.S. law, during which they are committing the most serious war crimes - clearly indicate that no resistance is to be expected from them either. Furthermore, all generals critical of the regime have already been removed. In Short: Both the police and the military are led predominantly by MAGA officials who would benefit from the establishment of a dictatorship. I therefore do not think they would offer resistance in a crisis - they could do so right now given the obvious crimes the regime commits on a daily basis, but they just do not. I think it will simply turn out however the oligarchs who actually control the U.S. decide. If they want a dictatorship modeled on the Russian one, that’s exactly what will happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) Yes, that’s true: the methods of oppression in the U.S. are still relatively subtle at the moment. However, that doesn’t change the fact that in the U.S., too, a tiny elite exploits the country while standing above the law - a point proven by the very fact that the current president is, in fact, president rather than serving a life sentence in prison. What I’m getting at is this: It would be easier for this elite to switch to the Russian model. I consider it likely that they intend to do so, since the current regime demonstrates on a daily basis that the most serious crimes in the US always go unpunished - so why even maintain the facade when it’s already abundantly clear that the law simply doesn’t apply to the powerful elite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] socsa@piefed.social 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I think something people aren't quite realizing with the whole "weaponization fund" is that it's subtlety removing the jury from the criminal justice equation, which has so far been one of the primary reasons Trump has not been able to get any convictions against his enemies. It's subtle because it's doing it in the other direction first, but it send a very clear message that juries might no longer have the final say in determining guilt or innocence moving forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[+] starik@lemmy.zip 12 points 5 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (10 children) I don’t think one can expect even the slightest resistance from the police in a crisis, since their leadership is largely made up of the same people who elected these crooks to the White House. I believe the circumstances surrounding the military’s current war against Iran - a war that violates both international law and U.S. law, during which they are committing the most serious war crimes - clearly indicate that no resistance is to be expected from them either. Furthermore, all generals critical of the regime have already been removed. In Short: Both the police and the military are led predominantly by MAGA officials who would benefit from the establishment of a dictatorship. I therefore do not think they would offer resistance in a crisis - they could do so right now given the obvious crimes the regime commits on a daily basis, but they just do not. I think it will simply turn out however the oligarchs who actually control the U.S. decide. If they want a dictatorship modeled on the Russian one, that’s exactly what will happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) Yes, that’s true: the methods of oppression in the U.S. are still relatively subtle at the moment. However, that doesn’t change the fact that in the U.S., too, a tiny elite exploits the country while standing above the law - a point proven by the very fact that the current president is, in fact, president rather than serving a life sentence in prison. What I’m getting at is this: It would be easier for this elite to switch to the Russian model. I consider it likely that they intend to do so, since the current regime demonstrates on a daily basis that the most serious crimes in the US always go unpunished - so why even maintain the facade when it’s already abundantly clear that the law simply doesn’t apply to the powerful elite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] socsa@piefed.social 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I think something people aren't quite realizing with the whole "weaponization fund" is that it's subtlety removing the jury from the criminal justice equation, which has so far been one of the primary reasons Trump has not been able to get any convictions against his enemies. It's subtle because it's doing it in the other direction first, but it send a very clear message that juries might no longer have the final say in determining guilt or innocence moving forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (10 children) I don’t think one can expect even the slightest resistance from the police in a crisis, since their leadership is largely made up of the same people who elected these crooks to the White House. I believe the circumstances surrounding the military’s current war against Iran - a war that violates both international law and U.S. law, during which they are committing the most serious war crimes - clearly indicate that no resistance is to be expected from them either. Furthermore, all generals critical of the regime have already been removed. In Short: Both the police and the military are led predominantly by MAGA officials who would benefit from the establishment of a dictatorship. I therefore do not think they would offer resistance in a crisis - they could do so right now given the obvious crimes the regime commits on a daily basis, but they just do not. I think it will simply turn out however the oligarchs who actually control the U.S. decide. If they want a dictatorship modeled on the Russian one, that’s exactly what will happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) Yes, that’s true: the methods of oppression in the U.S. are still relatively subtle at the moment. However, that doesn’t change the fact that in the U.S., too, a tiny elite exploits the country while standing above the law - a point proven by the very fact that the current president is, in fact, president rather than serving a life sentence in prison. What I’m getting at is this: It would be easier for this elite to switch to the Russian model. I consider it likely that they intend to do so, since the current regime demonstrates on a daily basis that the most serious crimes in the US always go unpunished - so why even maintain the facade when it’s already abundantly clear that the law simply doesn’t apply to the powerful elite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] socsa@piefed.social 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I think something people aren't quite realizing with the whole "weaponization fund" is that it's subtlety removing the jury from the criminal justice equation, which has so far been one of the primary reasons Trump has not been able to get any convictions against his enemies. It's subtle because it's doing it in the other direction first, but it send a very clear message that juries might no longer have the final say in determining guilt or innocence moving forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[+] starik@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago* (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) Yes, that’s true: the methods of oppression in the U.S. are still relatively subtle at the moment. However, that doesn’t change the fact that in the U.S., too, a tiny elite exploits the country while standing above the law - a point proven by the very fact that the current president is, in fact, president rather than serving a life sentence in prison. What I’m getting at is this: It would be easier for this elite to switch to the Russian model. I consider it likely that they intend to do so, since the current regime demonstrates on a daily basis that the most serious crimes in the US always go unpunished - so why even maintain the facade when it’s already abundantly clear that the law simply doesn’t apply to the powerful elite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] socsa@piefed.social 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I think something people aren't quite realizing with the whole "weaponization fund" is that it's subtlety removing the jury from the criminal justice equation, which has so far been one of the primary reasons Trump has not been able to get any convictions against his enemies. It's subtle because it's doing it in the other direction first, but it send a very clear message that juries might no longer have the final say in determining guilt or innocence moving forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) Yes, that’s true: the methods of oppression in the U.S. are still relatively subtle at the moment. However, that doesn’t change the fact that in the U.S., too, a tiny elite exploits the country while standing above the law - a point proven by the very fact that the current president is, in fact, president rather than serving a life sentence in prison. What I’m getting at is this: It would be easier for this elite to switch to the Russian model. I consider it likely that they intend to do so, since the current regime demonstrates on a daily basis that the most serious crimes in the US always go unpunished - so why even maintain the facade when it’s already abundantly clear that the law simply doesn’t apply to the powerful elite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[+] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago We’ll see. One thing, however, should be quite clear: it is very unlikely that the living conditions of U.S. citizens will improve significantly, even if the status quo is maintained. The system has already been infiltrated far too deeply for that to happen. The US will therefore remain an oligarchy one way or another - living conditions will continue to deteriorate until US citizens dismantle the system, which I consider virtually impossible. The only question, then, is whether the democracy charade will continue or not, because there is truly no democracy in the U.S. where the system serves the people. The current administration merely makes this clearer than its predecessors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socsa@piefed.social 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I think something people aren't quite realizing with the whole "weaponization fund" is that it's subtlety removing the jury from the criminal justice equation, which has so far been one of the primary reasons Trump has not been able to get any convictions against his enemies. It's subtle because it's doing it in the other direction first, but it send a very clear message that juries might no longer have the final say in determining guilt or innocence moving forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starik@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starik@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Because in this case he is specifically calling by the books jury trials "weaponization" and "lawfare." It's way beyond simple corruption, which he can do just fine with his various crypto and real estate scams, and the language is being chosen intentionally. The pardon power is a constitutional one, but to disparage the entire criminal justice system like this is ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice in a plainly partisan and autocratic way. It's priming people for conditions which will ultimately undermine the process in both directions - letting him protect his allies and justify erosion of due process as somehow flawed or optional. He's already doing it with his deportation framework, in which people who have never been charged with any crime are being labeled "criminals" and denied due process. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago competent, no, but well armed? yes. never forget that quantity has a quality of its own, and ICE has been recruiting. permalink fedilink source parent