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Ngl, leftists fight way too much 😭 (lemmy.world)
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[–] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)

It's so frustrating. Time and again in democracies, we're shown that most people are best served by the policies of the left. But the left keep losing with breathtaking consistency, because of ignorance and infighting. If the politically aware were able to compromise with each other enough to organise and campaign, they would be able to inform the politically ignorant enough to walk every election.
Communists and liberals should be able to find some common ground and just work from there, instead of focusing on their differences. This is what the right does, and that's why it's winning.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    It's because the left are bad at propaganda (maybe on purpose). Really stupid ppl need rituals. The right provides those. The left doesn't want to manipulate ppl and doesn't want to be a cult or look conform. So they don't unite under one banner.

    The right has chants and new racist drinking songs every year. They like dressing up in uniforms, wave qestionable flags. This appeals to ppl who want to belong.

    If a large group of leftist parties could agree on things like that, the differences would just be factions within a united group.

    You know, like maga hats. Vague. Harmless at first glance. No difficult history. Unites the sheeple.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    I dunno, the left does it differently. 1984 is one of the most acclaimed novels of the 20th century and it's leftist propaganda. Star Trek is leftist propaganda. The Beatles are leftist propaganda. Mr. Rogers. The Muppets, countless other kids' TV shows.

    We've got all the best tunes, the best messages and the depth to back it up. We just need to stop disagreeing about stupid shit, and stop treating discomfort like it's a war crime.

    There are some fundamentals that we all agree on, like equality, the sanctity of human life and human dignity and the freedom to do what you want as long as it harms nobody.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, I would be happy to work together, but historically speaking (almost) every time we did we were fucked over.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's true for the right as well. No one faction gets everything, or often anything it wants.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Centrists typically win big wars between the left and right not because they have the numbers or ideological superiority, but because radicals and true believers are the most likely to volunteer to die and the most likely for the other side to actively target.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    That propaganda isn't propagandy enough, or do you run around every day with a Star Trek com badge or wear a Star Trek uniform to protests? And even if you did, how willing would the Average Joe be to follow your lead? Further more, these are commercial franchises. You can't have some company have the power to change the meaning of them.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Ok fair point. But I think that just any level of critical thinking is leftist propaganda in a way. Science says there is a gender spectrum, autism is real, the climate is collapsing, our current economic models don't work, sociopaths tend to get into power, all of these scientifically verifiable facts are considered leftist. True art that asks you fundamental questions is leftist, because examining the human condition leads you to conclusions that abhor suffering. That can be graffiti or a scene in a Pixar movie.
    I think my point is that the left don't need manipulative propaganda, because we have truth on our side. And if we were able to rally properly, that would be enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That truth doesn't say "be one of us and be proud".

    Also, you have it reversed: We are not able to rally properly, because we don't do manipulative propaganda. You have to get ppl off their asses nowadays. Most ppl are like really, really stupid. They need to be led. If we don't do it, the fascists will. Also the regressives (often called conservatives) actively make ppl more stupid, because they know the left won't harvest those sheeple.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    It fucking does. I'm proud of who I am.

    I'm not sure I agree that stupidity and lack of conviction go together. You don't need to be able to do calculus in order to understand that hurting people is wrong.
    Manipulating people into doing what you want them to do is a cunt's trick. It introduces the kind of hierarchy that eventually fails.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    1984 is more anti-authoritarian propaganda, than leftist propaganda I would say.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    In the current timeline, in the current atmosphere, if I can agree with someone 50.1% of the time, that's good enough for now. After we get literal fucking fascists out of power we can have a debate about if Grannie and Grampa renting out their guest cottage to finance their diabetes medications count as the same kind of landlords and deserve the same amount of vitriol as Blackstone.

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