Kabutor comments on [Discussion] Star Wars: Maul - Shadow Lord

[–] Kabutor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I enjoyed the episodes, but (I guess this is spoiler discussion) I have to say that Vader not saying a word during the whole fight is not right.

And the worst is that it has to be a money problem, not a creative decision.

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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I don't think it's a money problem. The series was created by Filoni, the president and chief creative officer of Lucasfilm. Plus we've had Vader speak in Rebels, so he's allowed to speak in animation. Plus getting Vader to speak at the moment is "free". His voice got thrown into Fortnight or whatever.

The idea here was definitely to be the force of nature Vader, similar to how we see him at the end of Rogue One. You can't talk to a force of nature and a force of nature doesn't talk to you.

I could see Vader having a larger role in future seasons, and he might talk then, but for Maul's first meeting against Vader in think this worked well.

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[–] Kabutor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Vader was voiced in Rebels, afaik by James Earl Jones, that is not possible now and I think I read somewhere that he gives permission to Lucasarts to recreate his voice, using ai or whatever, my guess is that permission will cost something to Disney.

It's all guessing on my part, but Vader is there because Palpatine sent him to kill Maul. I think there is something to say. Lets see if there is some kind of interviews or something and someone say something about it

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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

And so to me, the key is not to actually give him a character. He's devoid of it because he doesn't care. Darth Vader does not care. He does not have compassion. He does not see you. He sees the thing he wants to destroy, and he will do that. It's like the same feeling you got in Rogue One when he comes down the hallway. He doesn't talk to those guys. He's going to destroy them. He has one mission, and all of his remorse and all of his anger and all of his hate is in every swing that he does. That's how it’s resolved.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/dave-filoni-perfectly-explains-why-103131368.html

Another thing to consider is that we don't really know young Darth Vader. Apart from his final moments in Revenge of the Sith, this show taking place about a year after, Vader might not be much of a talker yet. I think comics explore this a little more, but Vader may not be anything more than a ball of anger at the moment.

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[–] Kabutor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'll take it if Filoni says it is that way, still don't think is the same. In Rogue One he is stepping over "ants". Maybe they were trying to convey something like you said, and If I'm not the only one that finds weird that he doesn't say a word, is because they failed in some way with the scene.

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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

So when this series premiered I went back and I watched the Rebels season finale that featured Vader and based on the words Maul used I knew he had to meet up with and lose t Vader at some point. I thought it would be at or near the series finale.

Obviously we got him much sooner.

I still think Vader's return is a possibility. So while I don't necessarily want Maul and Vader meeting every season, I don't think we've seen the last of him in this show.

Maul's goal is to take down Sidious. I wouldn't be surprised if Maul vs Vader plays out similarly to Luke vs Vader in Empire Strikes Back. Fight. Retreat. Fight. Retreat. I expect Maul + Devon will at some point have a slight edge against Vader. In that moment Vader might have something to say.

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[–] Kabutor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

I don't want this to feel like I'm against everything you say ;) , but I don't think Vader is coming back. He is here to fill the gaps of the words Maul said in Rebels S2, and to allow Devon to cross to the Dark Side. Her master has to die, Maul betreayed him to add a cherry on top. My guess is that next season(s) we will see how Devon becames his pupil,. and how she discover the redention path and either die or just leave Maul. I have to wonder if the police Lawson is really dead, I don't think so, he watched Maul's betrayal when he pushed Devon's master into Vader, he has to tell that story to Devon or by proxy.

It's all guessing of course, Vader could be a prominent figure on S2, but I don't think Filoni likes to abuse of his presence, he doesn't like to use the canon characters as much as they are needed

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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 6 months ago

No worries. Happy to swap theories.

The reason I think Vader might return is that when the Inquisitors confirm they've found Maul in Rebels they call up Vader quickly. They're clearly chasing him and know Vader wants to find him.

I expect Maul will cross paths with the Inquisitors again, although I bet Maul gets the upper hand. We know the Eleventh Brother (white mask guy) is eventually defeated by Ahsoka in "Tales of the Jedi", so he's "safe". But First Brother/Marrok has a more complicated story. We know he "survives" until the the first season of "Ahsoka", but when he dies it's some night sister magic death. So I'm guessing Marrok will hunt Maul, but not tell Vader and try to defeat Maul himself.

Maybe Marrok will side with Maul? Maybe Vader will view Marrok not reporting Maul as betrayal and kill him? Maybe Vader never finds out and we don't see him again?

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