Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT 🙌🙌 🙌

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[+] -9 points 1 year ago* (21 children)

Jesus. None of this actually matters, the cargo ships dwarf the output of a continent.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The entire worlds cargo ships emit 3% of the planets GHG emissions.

    Animal agriculture is 15-20%. It's equal to the ENTIRE transport sector (cars, trucks, boats, planes etc).

    As a consumer you can't easily change your cargo ship usage, or cars or planes, but you can absolutely change your diet, literally today.

    I did! And I grew up on a dairy farm in rural NZ.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Which continent? Antarctica? It wouldn't surprise me, but it seems like an entirely useless comparison to make.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    Not really, check out their claim on google. Ships are polluting a shitton. They have huge engines that run on the crappiest fuel known to man. It's so bad, that they have to switch to diesel by law when comming close to the shore / port so as to meet any semblence of environmental law. Something like the top 10 ships pollute more than all cars on Earth combined (exhaust gasses, not tire wear / brake dust).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Is burning bunker fuel in international waters very polluting and should someone try to do something about it? Yes it is and yes they should. And the good news is that they have been working at it: https://www.imo.org/en/mediacentre/hottopics/pages/sulphur-2020.aspx

    But were the more polluting cargo ships from the past more polluting than "a continent"? Probably only if that continent was not Asia, Europe, America or Africa. If they were and I'm wrong, then I would love to see a source. Telling me to "google it" is not a source, I already tried looking for it when I first asked the question and I could find no info about this claim. It seemed like a hyperbole comparison that they made up.

    I also tried looking up your claim that 10 ships pollute more than all cars combined, and the first result was an article debunking a similar myth (about 15 ships): https://www.oldsaltblog.com/2021/04/no-sixteen-large-ships-do-no-pollute-more-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You can't find it because you don't want to find it, you think it's some right wing talking point when it's not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I post literal proof that the shit that you made up, is made up. And your answer is to double down and throw insults around, and even now 2 weeks later you're still at it. Somehow you're not very convincing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm not trying to convince you, you're not here to learn, you're here to be a lying cocksucker, I'm just here to point that out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Your willingness to make things up, your doubling down when it becomes obvious to others that you made stuff up and then finally your reaction to jump to hatred of those that demonstrated that you make stuff up ... It all makes you come across as unhinged.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lol, look in a mirror. Making yourself look pretty fucking stupid here. This isn't even an arguable point, what I said has been common knowledge and proven for decades now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Show the proof then. insulting others and making a fool out of yourself doesn't count as proof, so do try to come up with a proper science based source.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I already told you, I am here to insult you, not to take orders from you, the information is commonly and easily available. You listen about as well as you think.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Blabla, google it, yet you ignore all evidence that was posted to the contrary of your beliefs. As expected you come up empty handed because you have nothing except your own vitriol.

    I get that you are a bitter and resentful person, but that is a choice that you are making. I'll try to explain below and I get that the text will be longer than you are used to, but I do implore you to read it. I'd like to try and help you get some perspective.

    You don't have to make up things and present them as facts. You don't have to resent other people who try to show you that some beliefs that you hold, have no factual basis. We don't try to inform people like you out of malice, but it's to help others to be more informed and to help people in general make more informed decisions.

    I suspect that your wilful ignorance has often brought you into useless conflicts where you ended up resenting the other participants because they were dismissive of you and your opinions. But that's not their fault. You are the one chosing to reject facts and resenting those that do not accept your beliefs over factual evidence. Your resentment and frustration has it's origin within your own choices, which has one major potential upside for you: you can chose to stop being that bitter resentful person.

    Don't make things up, respect other people's opinions, be open to the possibility that some of your beliefs might not be true. Do those 3 simple things and you will find that interactions in your life will on average be much more agreeable and positive for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    IDK why you're getting downvoted, a large cargo ship can emit the same amount of co2 as 50 million cars https://maritimepage.com/cargo-ship-co2-emissions/

    Perhaps the people downvoting you are the same kind of people without a sense of proportion, who think that turning off an LED light bulb saves the environment.

    It could also be that you don't provide a solution. So here it goes: want to cut co2? Buy locally produced goods. If you live in the northern hemisphere strawberries aren't in season in January, and it's a good chance that neither are tomatoes or avocado.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Not going to claim it really matters that much. Everyone chooses their own principles and battles to make themselves feel better. We trie to cut out as much meat as possible.

    Beef, because it pollutes the most globally.

    Most pork because they're clever and the nitrate pollution in my particular part of the world due to pig manure threatens the local ground water

    So our chicken consumption went up a bit, but mostly the tofu consumption. Doesn't mean we're religious or even the least bit of preachy about it, god I hate those ppl. But it makes you feel better if you think you're at least a bit in control of some things. Like your own diet.

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