β² 157 βΌ Drones attacked Moscow; the mayor of the Russian capital confirmed a strike on a building (unn.ua) submitted 6 months ago by LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz 26 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 29 points 6 months ago (20 children) Oh no how unfortunate. permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [+] Bee_R@piefed.social -28 points 6 months ago (19 children) I get that the Russians do the same in Ukraine, but I don't think that justifies bombing their civilians. You can't play "eye for an eye" with other peoples lives and the fact that the Russians did something immoral doesn't justifies them to do the same. It's still bombing civilians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 21 points 6 months ago (5 children) That's a good moral stance, credit where it's due. Yet I don't know how practical it is to take the word of a Russian mayor at face value, with no input from Ukrainian command. One other thing that doesn't sit well with me is the way onlookers treat Ukraine as their 'protagonist' in this story because they're a plucky underdog with a morally just logic for defense. I think it puts too much on Ukraine to hold them to the standards we would/should be holding our own countries, many of which no saints. It doesn't sound like Ukraine to just attack civilians, that doesn't help their war aims. Attacking civilians is something Russia does because it does relate to their war aims; namely, genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) Unfortunately, thereβs no point in targeting civilians in Russia. At this point at least. Iβm very saddened by this realisation. But at least we can hope for a wonderful civil war in Russia once they lose this war, canβt we? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 6 points 6 months ago I don't know if there's much hope even in a general collapse of the government. You go into a revolution with the factions you've got, not the ones you want, and Russians are about as badly propagandized and undereducated as Americans. I wouldn't have much excitement about a civil war in either country right now. That said, I'd definitely say it's in the cards mid to long term. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Im not even attacking Ukraine, or at least it wasn't my intent. I just think it's in poor taste to celebrate this kind of news, be it fake or real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 5 points 6 months ago Nobody is "celebrating this". permalink fedilink source parent [β] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 6 months ago I think we agree there. Highly propagandized, downtrodden civilians of authoritarian regimes carry little blame for their rulers' decisions, and ultimately most of us are just caught up in the gears of history. Rules of this !c are against sympathy for 'enemy combatants', not civilians after all. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ladicius@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* I don't think that was a deliberate strike. Drones that are under fire from AA fall from the sky on unpredictable paths all the time. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 12 points 6 months ago (2 children) They didn't bomb civilians. Even their mayor said 'no casualties'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Bee_R@piefed.social -6 points 6 months ago (1 child) The article mentioned it was a residential area. Even though there were no casualties I think it's still a bit scarry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Good. It's all about brining consequences of their own illegal invasion back to them. I hope this can be done with as few casualties as possible, but this needs scares the shit out of them. It's the only way anything can change within the apathetic, manipulated russian society. permalink fedilink source parent [+] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You just made a bunch of imaginary assumptions. I haven't said its ok for Russia to do that, haven't even made one of the claims you mentioned. I'm fairly convinced the initial news article is fake, I just don't think its something worth celebrating regardless of how true it is. I don't condone civilian violence regardless of the side that does it, it's not a wild position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 6 months ago* Wow, itβs wild my comment got removed, while you stand on a white horse all cool and beautiful. I see no point in discussing it with you, since Iβve said everything I wanted to. I see no civilians in there at this point. They either support the genocide or do nothing to stop it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 7 points 6 months ago* (4 children) Didn't flap your gums on this post did you? BS trolling plain to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -5 points 6 months ago (2 children) Look, Im not that deep into the whole conflict, I'm definitely defending Ukraine. I live in a country that neighbours Ukraine and is very close to Russia as well. Ukraine surely has a lot more civilian casualties. I have relatives in both country(used to, most moved) and it's worrying whenever drones reach civilian areas, especially new ones, who were previously considered "safe". I'm not defending anyone, I'm not a troll, my pfp is Porta from the Sven Hassel series. If you read It then you probably have the same opinions on war as I do. I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. I just browse the "All" page and this comment caught my attention. I think you're making a lot of assumptions about me and making me the villain when we're really on the same side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. And yet the only time you say anything is the second a russian building has debris hit it. The glaring implication is Ukrainian civilians didn't count. It's telling that a russian mayor makes a claim and THAT is what gets your attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -4 points 6 months ago I just dont comment that often. I also have a secondary account on another instance, but after seeing its one of instances with the highest ban per user ratio, I decided to explore some other ones. I think you're searching for meaning and motive where there isn't any. Not everything has to be black and white, most people's views are more neuanced and trying to fit people into predetermined categories is counterproductive. I decided to comment on this posed solely because I thought the general response was unusual. I see a bunch of posts with Ukrainian casualties and I dont post on each and every one because I'd go insane. I'm not devaluing them, I just don't feel the need to comment on them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Bee_R@piefed.social -7 points 6 months ago I'm genuinely saddened. I hoped for an actual discussion and I'm getting dogpiled. I don't even know what I said that made everyone so mad I'm sorry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago For one, there was no explosion as it seems. Drone hit the building and what it seems from a video, just hit the ground after. No explosions - no casualties. Probably also no explosives on board. Maybe that was just surveillance/scout drone of some sorts. Who knows. And also, what Ukranians do in Tuapse is also questionable. Ukranians basically bombed an oil storage and refineries in Tuapse that raised an environmental crisis in that area of the Black Sea. It is not a "Chernobyl" there, but just being at the area may raise long term health issues and of course god knows how long it will take to clean up oil spillages. There are casualties. But these are the side effect of what Ukranians targeted opposed to a "mistake coordinates" or whatever bullshit Russia would claim after bombing civilian areas. Very questionable stuff indeed, but that is expected when you invade your neighbor country. After all, one is attacking while the other is defending. Moral of the story - make love, not war. permalink fedilink source parent [β] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago Mayor Sobyanin reported that there were no casualties at the scene. Might wanna work on that reading comprehension, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Bee_R@piefed.social -28 points 6 months ago (19 children) I get that the Russians do the same in Ukraine, but I don't think that justifies bombing their civilians. You can't play "eye for an eye" with other peoples lives and the fact that the Russians did something immoral doesn't justifies them to do the same. It's still bombing civilians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 21 points 6 months ago (5 children) That's a good moral stance, credit where it's due. Yet I don't know how practical it is to take the word of a Russian mayor at face value, with no input from Ukrainian command. One other thing that doesn't sit well with me is the way onlookers treat Ukraine as their 'protagonist' in this story because they're a plucky underdog with a morally just logic for defense. I think it puts too much on Ukraine to hold them to the standards we would/should be holding our own countries, many of which no saints. It doesn't sound like Ukraine to just attack civilians, that doesn't help their war aims. Attacking civilians is something Russia does because it does relate to their war aims; namely, genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) Unfortunately, thereβs no point in targeting civilians in Russia. At this point at least. Iβm very saddened by this realisation. But at least we can hope for a wonderful civil war in Russia once they lose this war, canβt we? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 6 points 6 months ago I don't know if there's much hope even in a general collapse of the government. You go into a revolution with the factions you've got, not the ones you want, and Russians are about as badly propagandized and undereducated as Americans. I wouldn't have much excitement about a civil war in either country right now. That said, I'd definitely say it's in the cards mid to long term. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Im not even attacking Ukraine, or at least it wasn't my intent. I just think it's in poor taste to celebrate this kind of news, be it fake or real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 5 points 6 months ago Nobody is "celebrating this". permalink fedilink source parent [β] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 6 months ago I think we agree there. Highly propagandized, downtrodden civilians of authoritarian regimes carry little blame for their rulers' decisions, and ultimately most of us are just caught up in the gears of history. Rules of this !c are against sympathy for 'enemy combatants', not civilians after all. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ladicius@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* I don't think that was a deliberate strike. Drones that are under fire from AA fall from the sky on unpredictable paths all the time. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 12 points 6 months ago (2 children) They didn't bomb civilians. Even their mayor said 'no casualties'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Bee_R@piefed.social -6 points 6 months ago (1 child) The article mentioned it was a residential area. Even though there were no casualties I think it's still a bit scarry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Good. It's all about brining consequences of their own illegal invasion back to them. I hope this can be done with as few casualties as possible, but this needs scares the shit out of them. It's the only way anything can change within the apathetic, manipulated russian society. permalink fedilink source parent [+] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You just made a bunch of imaginary assumptions. I haven't said its ok for Russia to do that, haven't even made one of the claims you mentioned. I'm fairly convinced the initial news article is fake, I just don't think its something worth celebrating regardless of how true it is. I don't condone civilian violence regardless of the side that does it, it's not a wild position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 6 months ago* Wow, itβs wild my comment got removed, while you stand on a white horse all cool and beautiful. I see no point in discussing it with you, since Iβve said everything I wanted to. I see no civilians in there at this point. They either support the genocide or do nothing to stop it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 7 points 6 months ago* (4 children) Didn't flap your gums on this post did you? BS trolling plain to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -5 points 6 months ago (2 children) Look, Im not that deep into the whole conflict, I'm definitely defending Ukraine. I live in a country that neighbours Ukraine and is very close to Russia as well. Ukraine surely has a lot more civilian casualties. I have relatives in both country(used to, most moved) and it's worrying whenever drones reach civilian areas, especially new ones, who were previously considered "safe". I'm not defending anyone, I'm not a troll, my pfp is Porta from the Sven Hassel series. If you read It then you probably have the same opinions on war as I do. I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. I just browse the "All" page and this comment caught my attention. I think you're making a lot of assumptions about me and making me the villain when we're really on the same side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. And yet the only time you say anything is the second a russian building has debris hit it. The glaring implication is Ukrainian civilians didn't count. It's telling that a russian mayor makes a claim and THAT is what gets your attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -4 points 6 months ago I just dont comment that often. I also have a secondary account on another instance, but after seeing its one of instances with the highest ban per user ratio, I decided to explore some other ones. I think you're searching for meaning and motive where there isn't any. Not everything has to be black and white, most people's views are more neuanced and trying to fit people into predetermined categories is counterproductive. I decided to comment on this posed solely because I thought the general response was unusual. I see a bunch of posts with Ukrainian casualties and I dont post on each and every one because I'd go insane. I'm not devaluing them, I just don't feel the need to comment on them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Bee_R@piefed.social -7 points 6 months ago I'm genuinely saddened. I hoped for an actual discussion and I'm getting dogpiled. I don't even know what I said that made everyone so mad I'm sorry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago For one, there was no explosion as it seems. Drone hit the building and what it seems from a video, just hit the ground after. No explosions - no casualties. Probably also no explosives on board. Maybe that was just surveillance/scout drone of some sorts. Who knows. And also, what Ukranians do in Tuapse is also questionable. Ukranians basically bombed an oil storage and refineries in Tuapse that raised an environmental crisis in that area of the Black Sea. It is not a "Chernobyl" there, but just being at the area may raise long term health issues and of course god knows how long it will take to clean up oil spillages. There are casualties. But these are the side effect of what Ukranians targeted opposed to a "mistake coordinates" or whatever bullshit Russia would claim after bombing civilian areas. Very questionable stuff indeed, but that is expected when you invade your neighbor country. After all, one is attacking while the other is defending. Moral of the story - make love, not war. permalink fedilink source parent [β] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago Mayor Sobyanin reported that there were no casualties at the scene. Might wanna work on that reading comprehension, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[β] yakko@feddit.uk 21 points 6 months ago (5 children) That's a good moral stance, credit where it's due. Yet I don't know how practical it is to take the word of a Russian mayor at face value, with no input from Ukrainian command. One other thing that doesn't sit well with me is the way onlookers treat Ukraine as their 'protagonist' in this story because they're a plucky underdog with a morally just logic for defense. I think it puts too much on Ukraine to hold them to the standards we would/should be holding our own countries, many of which no saints. It doesn't sound like Ukraine to just attack civilians, that doesn't help their war aims. Attacking civilians is something Russia does because it does relate to their war aims; namely, genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) Unfortunately, thereβs no point in targeting civilians in Russia. At this point at least. Iβm very saddened by this realisation. But at least we can hope for a wonderful civil war in Russia once they lose this war, canβt we? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 6 points 6 months ago I don't know if there's much hope even in a general collapse of the government. You go into a revolution with the factions you've got, not the ones you want, and Russians are about as badly propagandized and undereducated as Americans. I wouldn't have much excitement about a civil war in either country right now. That said, I'd definitely say it's in the cards mid to long term. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Im not even attacking Ukraine, or at least it wasn't my intent. I just think it's in poor taste to celebrate this kind of news, be it fake or real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 5 points 6 months ago Nobody is "celebrating this". permalink fedilink source parent [β] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 6 months ago I think we agree there. Highly propagandized, downtrodden civilians of authoritarian regimes carry little blame for their rulers' decisions, and ultimately most of us are just caught up in the gears of history. Rules of this !c are against sympathy for 'enemy combatants', not civilians after all. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) Unfortunately, thereβs no point in targeting civilians in Russia. At this point at least. Iβm very saddened by this realisation. But at least we can hope for a wonderful civil war in Russia once they lose this war, canβt we? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 6 points 6 months ago I don't know if there's much hope even in a general collapse of the government. You go into a revolution with the factions you've got, not the ones you want, and Russians are about as badly propagandized and undereducated as Americans. I wouldn't have much excitement about a civil war in either country right now. That said, I'd definitely say it's in the cards mid to long term. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] yakko@feddit.uk 6 points 6 months ago I don't know if there's much hope even in a general collapse of the government. You go into a revolution with the factions you've got, not the ones you want, and Russians are about as badly propagandized and undereducated as Americans. I wouldn't have much excitement about a civil war in either country right now. That said, I'd definitely say it's in the cards mid to long term. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Im not even attacking Ukraine, or at least it wasn't my intent. I just think it's in poor taste to celebrate this kind of news, be it fake or real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 5 points 6 months ago Nobody is "celebrating this". permalink fedilink source parent [β] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 6 months ago I think we agree there. Highly propagandized, downtrodden civilians of authoritarian regimes carry little blame for their rulers' decisions, and ultimately most of us are just caught up in the gears of history. Rules of this !c are against sympathy for 'enemy combatants', not civilians after all. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 5 points 6 months ago Nobody is "celebrating this". permalink fedilink source parent
[β] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 6 months ago I think we agree there. Highly propagandized, downtrodden civilians of authoritarian regimes carry little blame for their rulers' decisions, and ultimately most of us are just caught up in the gears of history. Rules of this !c are against sympathy for 'enemy combatants', not civilians after all. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ladicius@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* I don't think that was a deliberate strike. Drones that are under fire from AA fall from the sky on unpredictable paths all the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 12 points 6 months ago (2 children) They didn't bomb civilians. Even their mayor said 'no casualties'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Bee_R@piefed.social -6 points 6 months ago (1 child) The article mentioned it was a residential area. Even though there were no casualties I think it's still a bit scarry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Good. It's all about brining consequences of their own illegal invasion back to them. I hope this can be done with as few casualties as possible, but this needs scares the shit out of them. It's the only way anything can change within the apathetic, manipulated russian society. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Bee_R@piefed.social -6 points 6 months ago (1 child) The article mentioned it was a residential area. Even though there were no casualties I think it's still a bit scarry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Good. It's all about brining consequences of their own illegal invasion back to them. I hope this can be done with as few casualties as possible, but this needs scares the shit out of them. It's the only way anything can change within the apathetic, manipulated russian society. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Good. It's all about brining consequences of their own illegal invasion back to them. I hope this can be done with as few casualties as possible, but this needs scares the shit out of them. It's the only way anything can change within the apathetic, manipulated russian society. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You just made a bunch of imaginary assumptions. I haven't said its ok for Russia to do that, haven't even made one of the claims you mentioned. I'm fairly convinced the initial news article is fake, I just don't think its something worth celebrating regardless of how true it is. I don't condone civilian violence regardless of the side that does it, it's not a wild position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 6 months ago* Wow, itβs wild my comment got removed, while you stand on a white horse all cool and beautiful. I see no point in discussing it with you, since Iβve said everything I wanted to. I see no civilians in there at this point. They either support the genocide or do nothing to stop it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bee_R@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You just made a bunch of imaginary assumptions. I haven't said its ok for Russia to do that, haven't even made one of the claims you mentioned. I'm fairly convinced the initial news article is fake, I just don't think its something worth celebrating regardless of how true it is. I don't condone civilian violence regardless of the side that does it, it's not a wild position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 6 months ago* Wow, itβs wild my comment got removed, while you stand on a white horse all cool and beautiful. I see no point in discussing it with you, since Iβve said everything I wanted to. I see no civilians in there at this point. They either support the genocide or do nothing to stop it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 6 months ago* Wow, itβs wild my comment got removed, while you stand on a white horse all cool and beautiful. I see no point in discussing it with you, since Iβve said everything I wanted to. I see no civilians in there at this point. They either support the genocide or do nothing to stop it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 7 points 6 months ago* (4 children) Didn't flap your gums on this post did you? BS trolling plain to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -5 points 6 months ago (2 children) Look, Im not that deep into the whole conflict, I'm definitely defending Ukraine. I live in a country that neighbours Ukraine and is very close to Russia as well. Ukraine surely has a lot more civilian casualties. I have relatives in both country(used to, most moved) and it's worrying whenever drones reach civilian areas, especially new ones, who were previously considered "safe". I'm not defending anyone, I'm not a troll, my pfp is Porta from the Sven Hassel series. If you read It then you probably have the same opinions on war as I do. I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. I just browse the "All" page and this comment caught my attention. I think you're making a lot of assumptions about me and making me the villain when we're really on the same side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. And yet the only time you say anything is the second a russian building has debris hit it. The glaring implication is Ukrainian civilians didn't count. It's telling that a russian mayor makes a claim and THAT is what gets your attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -4 points 6 months ago I just dont comment that often. I also have a secondary account on another instance, but after seeing its one of instances with the highest ban per user ratio, I decided to explore some other ones. I think you're searching for meaning and motive where there isn't any. Not everything has to be black and white, most people's views are more neuanced and trying to fit people into predetermined categories is counterproductive. I decided to comment on this posed solely because I thought the general response was unusual. I see a bunch of posts with Ukrainian casualties and I dont post on each and every one because I'd go insane. I'm not devaluing them, I just don't feel the need to comment on them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Bee_R@piefed.social -7 points 6 months ago I'm genuinely saddened. I hoped for an actual discussion and I'm getting dogpiled. I don't even know what I said that made everyone so mad I'm sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bee_R@piefed.social -5 points 6 months ago (2 children) Look, Im not that deep into the whole conflict, I'm definitely defending Ukraine. I live in a country that neighbours Ukraine and is very close to Russia as well. Ukraine surely has a lot more civilian casualties. I have relatives in both country(used to, most moved) and it's worrying whenever drones reach civilian areas, especially new ones, who were previously considered "safe". I'm not defending anyone, I'm not a troll, my pfp is Porta from the Sven Hassel series. If you read It then you probably have the same opinions on war as I do. I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. I just browse the "All" page and this comment caught my attention. I think you're making a lot of assumptions about me and making me the villain when we're really on the same side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. And yet the only time you say anything is the second a russian building has debris hit it. The glaring implication is Ukrainian civilians didn't count. It's telling that a russian mayor makes a claim and THAT is what gets your attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -4 points 6 months ago I just dont comment that often. I also have a secondary account on another instance, but after seeing its one of instances with the highest ban per user ratio, I decided to explore some other ones. I think you're searching for meaning and motive where there isn't any. Not everything has to be black and white, most people's views are more neuanced and trying to fit people into predetermined categories is counterproductive. I decided to comment on this posed solely because I thought the general response was unusual. I see a bunch of posts with Ukrainian casualties and I dont post on each and every one because I'd go insane. I'm not devaluing them, I just don't feel the need to comment on them. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) I know Ukraine has a lot mor casualties, the Bus incident you listed is a fairly tame one compared to other ones in Ukraine. And yet the only time you say anything is the second a russian building has debris hit it. The glaring implication is Ukrainian civilians didn't count. It's telling that a russian mayor makes a claim and THAT is what gets your attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Bee_R@piefed.social -4 points 6 months ago I just dont comment that often. I also have a secondary account on another instance, but after seeing its one of instances with the highest ban per user ratio, I decided to explore some other ones. I think you're searching for meaning and motive where there isn't any. Not everything has to be black and white, most people's views are more neuanced and trying to fit people into predetermined categories is counterproductive. I decided to comment on this posed solely because I thought the general response was unusual. I see a bunch of posts with Ukrainian casualties and I dont post on each and every one because I'd go insane. I'm not devaluing them, I just don't feel the need to comment on them. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bee_R@piefed.social -4 points 6 months ago I just dont comment that often. I also have a secondary account on another instance, but after seeing its one of instances with the highest ban per user ratio, I decided to explore some other ones. I think you're searching for meaning and motive where there isn't any. Not everything has to be black and white, most people's views are more neuanced and trying to fit people into predetermined categories is counterproductive. I decided to comment on this posed solely because I thought the general response was unusual. I see a bunch of posts with Ukrainian casualties and I dont post on each and every one because I'd go insane. I'm not devaluing them, I just don't feel the need to comment on them. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Bee_R@piefed.social -7 points 6 months ago I'm genuinely saddened. I hoped for an actual discussion and I'm getting dogpiled. I don't even know what I said that made everyone so mad I'm sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago For one, there was no explosion as it seems. Drone hit the building and what it seems from a video, just hit the ground after. No explosions - no casualties. Probably also no explosives on board. Maybe that was just surveillance/scout drone of some sorts. Who knows. And also, what Ukranians do in Tuapse is also questionable. Ukranians basically bombed an oil storage and refineries in Tuapse that raised an environmental crisis in that area of the Black Sea. It is not a "Chernobyl" there, but just being at the area may raise long term health issues and of course god knows how long it will take to clean up oil spillages. There are casualties. But these are the side effect of what Ukranians targeted opposed to a "mistake coordinates" or whatever bullshit Russia would claim after bombing civilian areas. Very questionable stuff indeed, but that is expected when you invade your neighbor country. After all, one is attacking while the other is defending. Moral of the story - make love, not war. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago Mayor Sobyanin reported that there were no casualties at the scene. Might wanna work on that reading comprehension, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent