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[–] 9 points 6 months ago (44 children)

They believe marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation, which is their little loophole. They’re so weird about it that I’m surprised they’ve never pushed fertility tests as a pre requisite before allowing a marriage ceremony.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    Then they should dissolve their marriages once their children move out, having fulfilled its only purpose. Staying married after you’re done having kids is lust, pride, and vanity.

    /s

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    If they truly believe that then why are they all celibate? They are chalk full of pedophiles too. Why I hate any post praising the pope. Fucker also lives like a king. Wonder how many of the popes are pedophiles themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Priests cannot marry. Marriage and the Priesthood (Holy Orders) are the only sacraments that are mutually exclusive.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Eastern Catholic priests can marry, actually. There are married Catholic priests out there right now, and not because they converted in from Anglicanism after they married (though those exist, too), but fully cradle Catholics who were married before their vocation. Somehow this has not exploded the church or whatever. It is inconsistent and ridiculous.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Had never heard of that before, thanks for the info

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    This is one of those pieces of info I try to slip in whenever possible. I'm a firm believer that celibacy is bad for the mind, body, and soul when it's forced on people. Priests may go into it willingly, but years and years of it with no reprieve does bad things to people's minds. If the church could make one reform that I genuinely believe would be best, it is the celibacy of clergy. Tons of reforms needed, but that one is the one I think needs to happen soonest.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Still stupid it's nowhere in the bible. Makes me believe the priest thing was made for repressed pedophiles.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    The actual reason is because the church was protecting its assets from the priests. Back then, priests were very powerful members of local government and controlled a large percentage of the wealth in an area. If they could get married and had kids, their kids would inherit the wealth they accumulated instead of that wealth going to the church.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Historically the priesthood/other holy orders was a place to toss the weird people or undesirable heirs. It was a convenient way for the gay uncle to have a respectable job and explain why they didn't have a wife. It was also a way to keep pedo types isolated but productive, at least until resources led to many orders dissolving.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    They don't believe that. They just say that. It'd be crazy if they actually believed it. Any reasonable person knows it's just bad faith rhetoric, not a true belief.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Having been raised in the faith (I’ve walked away for a multitude of reasons) I assure you they do believe it. You’re not even allowed to take contraceptives or have a vasectomy

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    If that actually were the belief, sterile people would not be allowed to be married, and people's marriages would be annualled when they become sterile, through age or otherwise. Unless they're asking for these, they do not believe it. They may believe that they believe it, but they don't.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They say those things are god’s will and thus not an issue. They leave the door open for “miracles” to occur.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Again, I'm reasonably certain they don't actually believe a 90 year old woman is suddenly going to get pregnant, or a woman who doesn't have a uterus anymore, or whatever else. These might be the words they're told to repeat to justify things, but they don't believe them. Not even the most devout would believe that.

    They may believe God could technically do this, but then he could also technically do the same for same sex couples. He's omnipotent, according to them, after all. His powers are not limited to only making miracles pregnancies to hetero couples. It's no more outrageous than expecting people physically incapable of becoming pregnant becoming pregnant. If they justify this belief based on miricles, then same sex marriage is equally justified. (This is not their belief. They don't believe the former premise, but this is the conclusion that it'd lead to.)

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago (26 children)

    marriage is a union between man and woman, as per the Bible

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    Bats are birds, as per the Bible. Donkeys talk, as per the Bible. Slave owning is cool as long as you don’t beat them to death, as per the Bible.

    There’s plenty of stuff in the Bible that’s utter garbage.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (19 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (18 children)

    In order: Leviticus 11:19

    2 Peter 2:16 & Numbers 22:28

    Exodus 21:20-21

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    Leviticus 11:19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe, and the bat.

    2 Peter 2:16 but he was rebuked for his own disobedience. A speechless donkey spoke with a man’s voice and stopped the madness of the prophet.

    This is a miracle, not a statement that donkeys speak (literally SPEECHLESS DONKEY)

    Numbers 22:28 The LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”

    Again, A MIRACLE

    Exodus 20:20 Moses said to the people, “Don’t be afraid, for God has come to test you, and that his fear may be before you, that you won’t sin.”

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    OOPS

    Exodus 21:20 “If a man strikes his servant or his maid with a rod, and he dies under his hand, the man shall surely be punished.

    Exodus 21:21 Notwithstanding, if his servant gets up after a day or two, he shall not be punished, for the servant is his property.

    if the servant is "beat to death", the man will be punished

    and as Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament, it mostly doesnt apply to us anymore

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Bats don't belong on that list.

    As for talking donkeys, you can't bring obvious fiction or superstition into the real world by proclaiming "MIRACLE". That's now how reality works.

    And "hey the slave didn't die so by all means carry on owning another human being as property" is not the moral flex you think it is.

    You haven't proven the bible is accurate or moral. You've only proven that you are brainwashed by your religion into justifying atrocities and need to work on bettering yourself.

    Finally, why are you explaining your holy book? A book that supposedly contains the infallible word of a god should not need mere mortals to explain it. God should have hired a holy ghost writer.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (14 children)
    1. 13 And these ye shall have in detestation among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are a detestable thing: the great vulture, and the bearded vulture, and the ospray;

    Direct Hebrew translation.

    It wasnt listing birds nor fowls it was telling you that you shall not eat fowls NOR those things

    1. There are a bunch of modern documented miracles, the Lord works in mysterious ways

    2. As I said, most of that does not apply to us anymore as Christ fulfilled it

    3. Define "accurate" or "moral"

    4. Infallible ≠ Simple

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (13 children)
    1. Choose your own translation doesn't matter if the "word of god" is so malleable.
    2. Nope.
    3. Cop out. Jesus said he wasn't there to invalidate the old stuff.
    4. I'm not your dictionary.
    5. Did not make that claim.

    Bonus 6. I'm tired of you.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to loosen the law or the prophets. I have not come to loosen, but to fulfill.

    He has not come to loosen the laws but to fulfill them

    This statement is told because the Pharisees were claiming that he was teaching people to ignore the law of Moses

    By fulfill, he means completely live a sinless life that no Israelite had managed, becoming the first and last to do so.

    This is also why the sacrificial system was abolished too, because Jesus' sacrifice was enough to the Lord for eternity.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    There you go trying to explain and rationalise the divine words of your infallible god. So why even include the Old Testament? If Jesus “fulfilled” it like an Amazon order, it’s over. Stop using it to judge people. No more Leviticus, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Judges, Proverbs…

    Christians hate being reminded that the Old Testament is just Torah fanfiction, so you should be happy to lose that stuff.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)
    1. yes deny every single piece of proof that makes you uncomfy
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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    You haven't provided proof, only claims. It doesn't make me uncomfortable, juat disappointed that some people are so credulous.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Shroud of Turin 500+ Witness accounts letters from ROMAN OFFICIALS to Caesar

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Dude. The shroud of Turin was a known fake in the 1300s when it was made. The church decided to adopt it anyway because it was a great money maker with tourists, even though according to your other reply they don’t mix money and faith. I do love that you lead with the most thoroughly debunked religious fraud in Christian history as your strongest evidence though. That genuinely gave me a laugh.

    Witnesses are notoriously unreliable and easily swayed. And you never said witnesses of what. Just vague “miracles” of the trust-me-bro variety? Which Roman officials? Were the letters corroborated by contemporary evidence and writings from reliable scholars?

    Magic does not exist. Ghosts and the Easter Bunny are fake too, sorry to ruin that for you.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    we didnt have High Res Photography in the 0s

    There exist no videos nor photos of Cleopatra, nor Julias Caesar

    And proof for tbe Shroud of Turin being fake

    To establish the existence of a person without any assumptions, one source from one author (either a supporter or opponent) is needed; for Jesus there are at least 12 independent sources from five authors from supporters and two independent sources from two authors from non-supporters, within a century of the crucifixion.[11] Since historical sources on other named individuals from first century Galilee were written by either supporters or enemies, these sources on Jesus cannot be dismissed, and the existence of at least 14 sources from at least seven authors means there is much more evidence available for Jesus than for any other notable person from 1st century Galilee.[11] Some scholars estimate that there are about 30 independent sources written by 25 authors who attest to Jesus overall.[12] It is notable that some independent sources did not survive, but are broadly referenced directly in the surviving sources themselves (e.g. Luke) or inferred from modern source analysis.[13]

    • Wikipedia
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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Or a man and his many wives? Including slaves?

    The bible is human bullshit. It exists to normalize abuse. You took the bait and we all suffer for your failing.

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