A 10-month Commerce Department probe concluded Meta could view all WhatsApp messages in unencrypted form

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[–] 58 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

The most important question to ask when evaluating end-to-end encryption: who manages the keys?

If Facebook manages all of the keys and is responsible for telling which public key belongs to who, then of course Facebook can read every message.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    oh lol. the trust chain is harder and harder to verify these days. i miss the good old days where I would write emails in vi and encrypt with gpg.

    I still write emails with vi. but I lost touch with the one other friend I had who knew how to use gpg 😂😂😂

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There are dozens of us! Dozens!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Is there an ELI5, foolproof, step-by-step tutorial? I tried Kleopatra on my own and was so completely befuddled; why is that, like, literally the only app out there in the whole world for PGP or GPG or whatever? Shouldn't there be dozens of such encoders?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    even better - as far as I am aware the client isn't open (and even if it were, is your installed build from the same source?).

    so, even if the keys are local only, who says there isn't a hidden API that simply sends locally decrypted content back to a remotely calling endpoint?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    thought it was proper e2e

    https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

    but if whatsapp owns both ends, what is stopping them from just reading the decrypted text? i duno crypto good enough

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    That, and if WhatsApp has the keys, then no amount of encryption is going to help.

    If I remember, the allegation was that they did keep all the keys and many employees could request them to decrypt specific sessions.

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