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Federal Surveillance Tech Becomes Mandatory in New Cars by 2027 (www.yahoo.com)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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I can't. I just can't.

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[–] 14 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I think the point is choice. Even those living in suburban and urban areas have a difficult time opting out of car-dependence.

If you choose to live rural, I would say that automobiles are part and parcel to that decision. It's just the nature of low population density.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    Except for the thousands of years that humanity was able to exist in low population density towns and villages completely fine without the need for personal vehicles.

    That statement just isn't true in the slightest. It's only part of rural living because that's how it has been designed in roughly the last century of human society.

    There is no materially restrictive reason it has to be this way. It is entirely a problem that is artificially created.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    Except for the thousands of years that humanity was able to exist in low population density towns and villages completely fine without the need for personal vehicles.

    Should we go back to the horse and buggy?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Love the quote, not the context. It’s a legitimate question. We got ride of horses in rural areas due to cars. In North America and Canada in particular the distances are so vast that rural public transportation is not really feasible

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Entirely false claim.

    People used horse and buggy to transport goods between towns. Inside of towns themselves, people just fucking walked places mate because we didn't needlessly build them so far apart in order to accommodate vehicular traffic.

    We absolutely have the resources required to overcomes these distances and enact functional public transit with a restructuring of our towns and cities.

    I'm over this conversation if you're just going to keep repeating that bs.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    People used horse and buggy to transport goods between towns.

    This is what I'm talking about. How do we do this without cars? I was discussing this with someone else in this thread so I'll just quote what I said there:

    To put things in perspective, Denmark is 42,947km2, and Canada is 9,984,670 km2. That means that you could fit almost 232 and a half Denmarks in Canada. Despite this about half of the population of Canada in the Quebec City-Windsor corridor, which is only 1,150 km-long, and about 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. That means that the vast majority of Canada is totally rural, and there are often vast distances between towns and First Nations. It is simply not economically feasible to build rail lines to connect all these places, let along sending out regular train services to these places.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for car free infrastructure within towns, but I just don't see how we can transport goods between rural towns without cars. Willing to have my mind changed tho

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Transporting goods via car does not require structuring our entire society around them being the primary method of transportation. You can still transport goods via vehicle while having accessible public transit and cities/towns structured around pedestrians. Rural included.

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