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Am I "too woke" for thinking the upcoming Michael Jackson biopic is disgusting? (lemmy.world)
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[+] -7 points 6 months ago (23 children)

Interesting take on a grown man who was regularly spending the night alone with young boys in his bed.

Super abnormal behavior and when you couple that with his security for that wing of the house along with the alleged victim testimony, he seems guilty as fuck. I don’t want it to be true, but there’s too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    Maybe. Like I said, I don't know for sure that I'm right, and I'll admit it's totally strange behavior for a normal adult man, but I do think there's a chance that we're injecting our own perverted assumptions on something we can't understand.

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  • [+] -18 points 6 months ago (21 children)

    Seriously, watch Leaving Neverland and see what you think. It’s astounding. You will be like

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago* (16 children)

    Just for giggles, I chose to check the wiki for leaving neverland....

    Safechuck says Jackson eventually replaced him with Brett Barnes; Robson claims he was replaced by the actor Macaulay Culkin, who is two years older, because Jackson preferred prepubescent boys

    Funny, Culkin explicitly says nothing ever happened. Culkin must just be lying though, right? One of the people in that documentary said he was the next in line, so that's that.

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  • [+] -9 points 6 months ago* (15 children)

    He’s interviewed at the end of the documentary. It’s worth it.

    A quick scan of wikipedia is not sufficient.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Should I also watch Loose Change because it's compelling and would leave me flabbergasted if I didn't do any other research?

    One of the two kids who the documentary follows makes an outrageous claim that we already know is fake based on the word of the person who allegedly experienced it. Just because you enjoyed it doesn't mean it's accurate.

    I don't even have any skin in he game (I don't like Jackson's music, personally), but the rhetoric around the man has always been contentious, and not always consistent. I'm not going to waste tons of time on a subject I don't care about by watching a documentary that I already know includes a major falsehood from one of the primary subjects.

    Honestly, I wasted more of my life on this subject than I wanted just responding here, so duces.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago

    Should I also watch Loose Change because it's compelling and would leave me flabbergasted if I didn't do any other research?

    Well they’re not the same thing at all so your rhetorical comparison shows your lack of good faith in the question.

    One of the two kids who the documentary follows makes an outrageous claim that we already know is fake based on the word of the person who allegedly experienced it.

    What? Try that again.

    I'm not going to waste tons of time on a subject I don't care about by watching a documentary that I already know includes a major falsehood from one of the primary subjects.

    So you don’t care and you’re wrong and don’t want to see it. Got it.

    Honestly, I wasted more of my life on this subject than I wanted just responding here, so duces.

    Just have a habit of shitting in threads about things you don’t care about, eh. Yeah. Alright then.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    As we all know, wikipedia is all lies without sources and all documentaries are truthful without editorial bias.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yet opinions about any lengthy works by people who have never read / seen / heard those works are abundant.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If you think wikipedia is wrong, you can submit proof that the links are inaccurate.

    But they probably don't listen to people who hate facts that prove them wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Ok but it's easy for a documentary to make you go insert shocked gif here if they just lie about things

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    True. So are they lying? I don’t think so.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The other commenter pointed out a pretty major inconsistency in what I assume is one of the main points of the documentary, so if they're correct, then yes.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There’s a LOT of testimony in the doc. Which is being contested?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Macaulay Culkin's experience

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Well, he’s like a postscript to the doc. He’s only on it for like two minutes.

    He [Reed, the director] told Business Insider: “In the end I knew that Macaulay and Brett [Barnes] had made statements consistently rebutting allegations that were made. I'm not in the business of outing anyone. I think we make it very clear in the film that they deny to this day that anything sexual happened and I'm not about to try to change their minds about that.”

    The doc is about the two boys before Culkin, not the entire group of boys he collected, so dismissing 98% of the movie, and the corroborating accounts Culkin has made seems disingenuous.

    I understand people don’t want to believe it. But these two guys are direct and their stories match in many ways and they are eminently believable. If it didn’t happen to Culkin, he’d be an outlier, but - good.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    bro, there's so many docs about aliens constructing the pyramids. do i think they did? hell no. Docs are made to make money.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Seen it, you are clearly dumb enough to fall for a ton of wishy washy nothing "proof".

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Wow so multiple first-hand accounts, archival media supporting it and additional contemporary witnesses aren’t enough to convince you?

    Well then you are a True Believer™ . Go forth and enjoy your bliss.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    all that stuff that he was acquitted for? It's not like he was exceptionally rich and ripe for people to try and make a dollar off him due to his strange behaviors. I dont know one way or the other, but way too many people seem to claim otherwise when we ultimately just don't know. and probably never will. IMO continuing to claim someone is guilty when the law says otherwise is just as bad as people blindly claiming someone is innocent. He was weird. thats really all we know.

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