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[–] 90 points 6 months ago (43 children)

Imagine killing a human being for possession of a harmless plant. It's wildly unjust.

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  • [+] -32 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    a plant so harmless that someone felt compelled to smuggle it into a country thats known to be extremely hostile to it, ignoring hundreds of warnings, bypassing several opportunities to get rid of it, and ultimately being caught with it and facing the very predictable, very openly warned and expressed repercussions?

    A plant that drives someone to do that doesnt sound so harmless to me.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Well that's only natural because you're just a random idiot.

    People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn't make them harmful.

    So far the Singaporean government has killed a lot more people than cannabis ever did, and for what?

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn’t make them harmful.

    What if I told you a chocolate bar killed my family?

    Well I would be lying but WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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  • [+] -50 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (29 children)
  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago

    Everywhere that has legalized weed had this same bullshit scaremongering about how cars are going to be running over schoolchildren every 5 seconds because everyone would just be driving around high all the time.

    That hasn’t happened at all, so why do you still make the bullshit claim?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Weed + cars doesn't seem to be a big problem in a state where legal weed is everywhere unlike alcohol.

    A great deal of alcohol is consumed out late at night in places one is likely to drive to and from. Almost all accidents happen to people who are plastered not least of which because drunk people get increasingly confident and simultaneously incapable of judging their ability.

    Worse drunk people even quite drunk people can reasonably pilot a car which is why most DUIs are given only after hundreds miles of drunk drinking.

    People's false confidence is rewarded right up until they go to jail or kill someone.

    Weed rarely produces the degree of impairment and when it does you aren't going anywhere. Also since there are no legal venues to smoke it you are most commonly at home

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    In places where cannabis has been legalized, a common side-effect is a decline in traffic fatalities. Weed smokers are more likely to be couch-locked when they've had too much, rather than going out driving like drunks do.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Exactly there are no legal places out and about to smoke so people smoke at home then rather than feeling energetic and pugnacious they are mellow and sleepy so they have neither the need nor desire to drive.

    As we speak imbeciles are trying to ruin this by developing testing designed to harass minorities on the side of the road and test whether the have smoked within several days instead of several hours. Soon you may face driving while brown charges for having smoked yesterday because testing cannot accurately measure impairment or recency of usage.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    Cars should be outlawed, not weed.

    Sober drivers kill more people every year than weed alone. If we had to choose between staying home and using weed to get high, or driving literally anywhere, the safest option is to stay home and get stoned.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Cars should be outlawed

    Driving and car ownership in Singapore is cartoonishly expensive and heavily regulated.

    It probably will be outlawed in a decade or so.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    As a cyclist, I'd agree, but there are many place where public transportation and bikes can't go, especially in the countryside. So cars make sense. Cannabis too, as it has a lot of medical uses. But cannabis in car are where it becomes a problem.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    there are many place where public transportation and bikes can’t go, especially in the countryside

    Are we still talking about Singapore?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    In that case no. If I remember it well, Singapore is quite small, I suppose bike should be enough for most uses except if you have to move big things, or a lot of groceries, in which case cars makes sense.

    In my case I have a cargo bike, and live near a mid-sized city, so I can just go do my groceries cycling. But someone who is further in the countryside wouldn't be able to. Partly because of the distance, no one want to do a two hours trip (or more) to buy groceries, but also because having cars zooming past you at 70km/h and more is kinda stressful.

    Case is, cars have uses, cannabis too, but both shouldn't be used at the same time.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago*

    Thank god you don't 😂

    (Just kidding, you do anything you want as soon as you don't DUI. I've seen enough death from that, don't want anyone else to loose a loved one to one of those assholes)

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    have such hubris that they believe those averse effect only affect others

    TBF there is a lot of variability in how cannabis affects different people. I’ve got a friend who had to quit because it made him extremely paranoid, to the point that he’d hallucinate. That isn’t universal by a long shot. I haven’t experienced paranoia or hallucinations, the biggest side effect I’ve experienced is sleepiness. Meanwhile my friend found it harder to sleep while high because his brain kept playing tricks on him. Very different brains, very different results.

    Though I don’t doubt that plenty of people misjudge their abilities while high, just as they misjudge their abilities when drunk. But it’s important to note that it isn’t necessarily hubris that makes a person say, “Weed doesn’t do that to me.” Some of us genuinely experience different effects. You can’t truly know what’s going on in someone’s head unless you’re the one living in it.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    True.

    That's just my own experience with my own potheads friends. Some of them who got into accidents because they thought they where better than other, and misjudged how much cannabis affected them.

    Not everyone is like them, sure. But to this day I never met someone who act rational when under the influence of drugs. Maybe I didn't met enough drugs user, who knows.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)

    so why isn't insomnia punishable by death or otherwise? That would potentially lead someone to crash a car too.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Driving while knowingly impaired is an offence in the UK.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

    Do you chose to take insomnia? I'd doubt that.

    But to be clear : I am against death penalty. It robs any chance for someone to change for the better, and even the worst criminal can change and try to repair, even partially, the damages he did. In the current case the death penalty is way overblown. But not everyone would be of that opinion, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    I can absolutely choose not to go to bed, yes.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Not going to bed and insomnia are two different things. Insomnia is a condition where you try to sleep, and can't. Not going to bed, well, is a choice.

    In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.

    But that's not what you said - you were saying that because people have the potential to cause an accident when smoking weed they should be executed.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    If is was the case, I understand better the downvotes. That wasn't my intention de frame it like that, I'm against death penalty.

    What I intended to say is that people who takes substances that impair their judgement, and go drive afterward are a danger to everyone around them. They should be sanctioned, just not by death penalty, which, again, make no sense whatsoever in any situation.

    Cannabis isn't a harmless plant, unless it is a variety without THC (study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9940647/). And I doubt a smuggler would import Cannabis without THC. Smuggled cannabis are almost always THC heavy plants, and considering how much he seem to have with him, he either intended to fly to the moon and back, or to sell it around.

    Now, THC heavy cannabis is a problem because, like alcohol, it impair the jugement about how ready to drive one is, and I've seen many of my friends get into accidents because they thought they where somehow not affected by THC. My words were harsh, no doubt, but I never called for any of them to get death penalties.

    Edit: drug resistance exists, of course, but isn't frequent. I happen to have a mild resistance to opioid based painkillers (found out after a surgery, worst pain I have been for a long time 😅)

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Cannabis isn’t a harmless plant

    Nothing is. Thinking otherwise is fallacious zero-tolerance binary thinking. But in terms of magnitude and incidence rate of harm, it's far less harmful than just about any other intoxicating substance.

    it impair the jugement about how ready to drive one is

    I've never heard that one before, and it's contradictory to decades of first-hand experience. Let's have an anecdata war, but not now, since I'm busy. Meanwhile, got any studies to cite? Evidence from US states that have legalized directly contradicts you.

    drug resistance exists, of course, but isn’t frequent

    While it's not physically addictive like cocaine, alcohol, benzos and opioids are, cannabis tolerance builds up quickly in habitual users (if that's what you mean by resistance).

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    I agree with you on that. Weed shouldn't be illegal, no more that alcohol.

    But saying that it has nothing to do with cannabis is a bit like saying alcohol as nothing to do either. The averse effects on attention is a direct consequence of those substances consumptions.

    It the choice of the user to consume it or not, but as it also impair said persons sense of danger, the choice to go driving despite said substances consumption can partly be attributed to the substance itself.

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  • [+] -9 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    It's a question about respecting a society's conventions. When you enter a country, you choose to abide with the laws in place, even if you disagree with them. Singapore makes it very clear what happens to those who smuggle drugs.

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