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[–] 19 points 6 months ago (32 children)

Well there sure has been enough propaganda being pumped out by China to make that bit of a positive bump.

The Chinese government sucks and anyone who needs a reminder just look up what they did to the Uyghurs.

Just becuase the American government also sucks it doesn't make China's government suck any less.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Yeah all China did was erase their culture "re-educate them" which is some Orwellian shit and as a bonus they steralized a fuck ton of them. I am not a western lapdog but you sure are deepthoatin China's dick ya troll!

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    I am half lebanese you jackass. I didn't vote for Trump, most of America didn't and currently he has like 25% support.

    There were WAY TOO MANY Middle Eastern Americans that voted for Trump due to a propaganda campaign that claimed he would do better with Gaza than Kamala. You have no idea how many of them I tried to convince not to vote for Trump.

    Quit looking at Americans as one single individual.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    China had a problem with violent Muslim extremism in Xinjiang 25-40 years ago.

    China started reeducation camps for them.

    The US has spent decades bombing and murdering Muslims creating more extremists.

    Which one is a better response to violent religious extremism?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Found the human rights abuser!

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Hey man it's not my fault my taxes have funded genocide for decades.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    You are just here to deny human rights abuses as long as it is your team.

    I don't have a team so I don't need to make excuses for fascist shit countries.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I'm not on any nation team. I'm on the human team. If humanity can do better, we should. I live in America, and I've read mostly American history so I'm more aware of our crimes. I don't trust anything our captured media says about the rest of the world.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    But you will trust anything China says when it denies its long history of human rights abuses?

    Something doesn't add up. I do appreciate your appeal to team human and I agree we can and should do better.

    I have studied human rights abuses for over three decades now. I can confidently say no nation except perhaps in ancient history can compare to the US levels of human destruction. If you count environmental destruction then no country in history can come close.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    But you will trust anything China says when it denies its long history of human rights abuses?

    So the problem with that is that all the accusations of human rights abuses come from the United States, so who am I supposed to trust? I know I can't trust the US, so why should I take the accusations seriously in the first place?

    I have studied human rights abuses for over three decades now. I can confidently say no nation except perhaps in ancient history can compare to the US levels of human destruction. If you count environmental destruction then no country in history can come close.

    Oh that's cool. What do you do?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I think you are confusing propaganda from the US with numerous investigative reports by reputable journalists and organizations like Amnesty International.

    I trust independent reporters who can verify their sources. This is why I believe China has committed numerous human rights violations. They even self admit executing political prisoners.

    There really is no question about this and denial basically makes a person a useful idiot. I often see dischenfranchised US citizens looking to other fascist countries like Russia or China for answers. I think the song For What It's Worth about sums it up, "nobody is right if everyone is wrong."

    I am a social worker by trade and I have spent my life helping people. I have fought long and hard for dischenfranchised people's rights at steps of my state's capital building. I helped secured the right to gay marriage in Washington State by lobbying my representatives as just one example.

    I have been involved in local, state, and federal politics. I have conducted numerous letter writing campaigns that have resulted in political prisoners release. I have been a community organizer and I have gotten laws and policies passed in my city to protect people.

    There are so many good ideas out there it isn't funny. There are numerous right ways to do anything and there are creative solutions we still have yet to think of.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I think you are confusing propaganda from the US with numerous investigative reports by reputable journalists and organizations like Amnesty International.

    Cool I like to learn. Can you share a few of them?

    They even self admit executing political prisoners.

    Isn't that better than not admitting to it? Like the US and it's allies?

    I often see dischenfranchised US citizens looking to other fascist countries like Russia or China for answers.

    So you'll have to back up calling China fascist. That sounds like being a useful idiot for the CIA if you ask me.

    I have been involved in local, state, and federal politics. I have conducted numerous letter writing campaigns that have resulted in political prisoners release. I have been a community organizer and I have gotten laws and policies passed in my city to protect people.

    So not in China right?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/

    https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/china

    I am not sure why you would deny China is fascist. Perhaps you are operating on fascism = bad instead of fascism = corporatism. The entire world is pretty much fascist at this point and denying it definitely makes you a useful idiot.

    I really think you are being disingenuous at this point. You clearly have picked a side already and that is okay. Have fun with you choosen overlords.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    It's very tiresome to see Americans turn a blind eye to concentration camps in their own backwards while claiming some moral imperative to liberate Xinjiang.

    Or Venezuela. Or North Korea. Or Cuba.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    I am not doing that dipshit. You are doing the exact thing I was just talking about. Yes America is a shit show right now that doesn't magically make the Chinese government not suck.

    America has concentration camps and is arresting innocent adults and children and filling those camps. It's terrible and it does nothing to make China's government suck less.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yes America is a shit show right now that doesn’t magically make the Chinese government not suck.

    This is Whataboutism!

    Whataboutism! Whataboutism! Whataboutism!

    America has concentration camps and is arresting innocent adults and children and filling those camps.

    Help me. I am a 8 year old boy living in the illegitimate Yankee Capitalist regime. President Xi, our shelves are empty and we are hungry. I am asking you to liberate my state of Connecticut with your Chengdu J-20 Stealth air superiority fighters and your Dongfeng 41 Missiles.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Whataboutism is saying how evil America is and acting like that makes China less bad. Every asshole in these comments acting like China is "less evil" than the United States is barfing out whataboutisms.

    Trump is a pedophile. This doesn't make China suck less it just makes America suck more.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Whataboutism is saying how evil America is and acting like that makes China less bad.

    Aaaaah! My mistake. I didn't realize Whataboutism was America specific. All this time I thought it was a generic rhetorical technique where you try to deflect the blame for your own country's missteps by insisting any other country was worse.

    But apparently America is exempt. Perhaps even... exceptional? Is there some kind of American Exceptionalism at play here? One in which America is beyond criticism?

    Trump is a pedophile. This doesn’t make China suck less

    Okay, but what if the Chinese economy promotes things Americans desire - green alternative energy, public health care and education accessible to residents without respect to income or ethnic background, a near totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry following the collapse of the landlord-backed government?

    Would that make China suck less?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    America's just mad because they build de-radicalization camps instead of labeling them terrorists and genociding them.

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