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New US Congress bill proposal requires all operating system providers to verify ages (www.gamingonlinux.com)
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[–] 7 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Tbh if children was the concern of this law, then you would allow parents to sue tiktok and other platforms that have made their children addicted to the platform.

Already happening

You should also be able to sue influencers for promoting stuff to children (they know the age of their userbase).

Absolutely yes.

We can say that all day, but the reality is that they don't know what impact it has on their kids mental health and how damaging short term dopamine addiction is for their children.

We absolutely do know. Which is why we stopped giving cocaine and heroin to kids.

But lets say it's the average tech illiterate parent, who thinks computers are a gaming machine for kids.

Yeah... Are you seriously advocating that parental responsibility shouldn't be a thing? If someone is that stupid, they shouldn't have a kid. And yes. That's epic levels of stupid.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    Are you seriously advocating that parental responsibility shouldn't be a thing?

    Very clearly not advocating that, what an uncharitable read.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    I don't think it's uncharitable at all. That sounds entirely like it's saying parents shouldn't be held responsible for knowing about the things they buy their children.

    If anyone buys their kid a phone/tablet/computer and gives them unfettered access to the Internet because they think it's "just a gaming machine" is irresponsible.

    I'm not saying a parent should, or could deny their kid access, but you need to AT THE BARE MINIMUM understand what you are putting in that kid's hands.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    It is very uncharitable, because you are cherry-picking things, I cant not write the complexity of life in a post. Your making up stuff that I havent stated.

    And poeple who shouldn't have kids do have kids, that is reality. And even if you ave parents that are not the ideal parent, do you think kids should suffer for that. Because in the real world we do laws that are only ment to protect people from stuff that is harmful.

    So you are advokating that alcohol should not have legal age limit, because parents are responsible for their kids? Seatbelts why have laws for that, drugs, hey because you as a person and kid, parent should know it's bad.

    Why even have school be mandatory, parents are responsible to teach their kids how to read and write (because that has worked great right).

    this is how you argue.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Quite the strawman you have there.

    You are creating things I didn't say to argue against, like saying I created a strawman.

    I cherry picked nothing. You specifically said that there is nothing parents can do because people much smarter than them are working against them

    Actual quotes by you

    are you confident that regular parents have a chance of competing with them

    This is very much a throw your hands up in the air comment

    just commenting on the troupe that parents is responsible for their own kids

    Calling the expectation that parents actually parent their kid is a trope

    the reality is that they don't know what impact it has on their kids mental health and how damaging short term dopamine addiction is for their children

    As I pointed out to refute this, we indeed do know what dopamine addiction does to children

    Still parenting is hard, especially when you are competing with phds in behavioral science or psychologists that help these platforms design their addiction mechanism.

    Again. This is throwing your hands up in the air. It more or less says, I can't properly parent my kid because people smarter than me are working against me.

    Not understanding the tech is an excuse. You can take classes. Watch videos. Join a parent group. Find people who do understand the tech. But throwing your hands up and saying you will rely on the government, is abdication of responsibility because for every law passed, the assholes will pay some governmental stooge to build in 3 loopholes and things are no better.

    These laws you want are just D.A.R.E. 2.0 and they'll work just as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    How many adults can say they understand what devices they put in their own hands? Practically none.

    I'm merely pointing out the huge difficulty here, these things are engineered to manipulate us. It's not as simple as "well, parents should simply know what to do".

    Your read was uncharitable cuz the comment you replied to directly said they "in no way support this", and was written from the very first premise as being ABOUT parents who DO NOT or CAN NOT understand the danger you go on to strawman and bitch about.

    Again - your reading was uncharitable, it did not try to take the commenters actual point of view, it simply ranted about what you felt like talking about, that they never said.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think your reading of my reading is far more uncharitable than anything I said.

    Double true given that I am not the only responder who got the same impression from that post.

    The whole post is an abdication of parental responsibility because people smarter than them are victimizing their children.

    There are steps a parent can take. Even something as simple as talking to your kids about not believing bullshit just because of social media. Teaching them critical thinking skills. Teaching them to look for a motive in any message. Teaching them that it's a trap designed to get them addicted.

    But instead, "are you confident that regular parents have a chance of competing with them".

    It doesn't fucking matter. You have to try, but just throwing your hands up is not even remotely helpful.

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