you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 96 points 6 months ago (22 children)

Seriously. Tankies are authoritarians who consider themselves leftists.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 22 child comments
  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Authoritarian / libertarian is on a completely different axis from left / right, no?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 73 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Only on the political compass, which uses a definition of left vs right that a lot of leftists disagree with. Really, the entire history of "left wing" politics has been about questioning and dismantling authority. The terms "left wing" and "right wing" come from the French revolution, when the people in favour of simply reforming the monarchy sat on the right side of the room, while the people who wanted to fully dismantling the monarchy sat on the left. A lot of more modern leftist thought is about questioning the power that capitalist businesses have.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Well said. Still; can you not have authoritarian left and libertarian left viewpoints? I just don’t see how questioning the power capitalist businesses have is limited to the libertarian left.

    What’s wrong with the definition of left & right on the political compass? I’m not super tuned into political science but this is the first I’ve heard that many leftists have take issue with it. I have seen the authoritarian left referred to as “red fascists”, but do they not also take issue with the power capitalist businesses have?

    I suppose I’d consider myself a left libertarian. The power of the state should be limited and what power is granted to the state should be used to improve the life of the people.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    can you not have auth left and lib left viewpoints?

    Yes, but actually no. The distinction is fundamentally unstable. If the left is constantly questioning power structures, it will inevitably turn to whatever structure the auth left comes up with.

    what's wrong with the definition of left and right on the political compass?

    It's specially economic left/right, which is almost always defined by taxation, government spending, and social welfare. While leftists usually say social welfare is a good thing, it's not changing the fundamentals of how capitalism works, which is the current dominant power structure that leftists are against.

    do auth left not also take issue with the power capitalist businesses have?

    Yes, but they usually put something just as bad in its place. You might have heard people saying that the USSR was "state capitalist rather than communist". This means that the workers and customers had just as little say in how things are run than they would under capitalists, only is was directly with the state rather than individual business owners.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    support systems that have brought about immense increases in life expectancy, worker's rights, women's rights, free healthcare, free education, and literally defeated fascism

    Cool, you can make literally that exact same argument about capitalist neo libs.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (9 children)
  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago* (8 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Worthwile to note that the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were longstanding allies before Operation Barbarossa and a critical amount of steel and oil that supplied the Nazi war machine after the allied embargo was supplied by the Soviet union.

    Which says nothing of the monumental sacrifice given by Soviet civilians, but let's separate that from Stalin's policy, perhaps?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Anti imperialism? How did they become the largest country on earth?

    Respect of minorities? Tell that to the tens of thousands of people executed in forests. Or starved to death. Because of their identity.

    Industrial development? Yes, current Russia having an economy the size of Italy is a testament to that.

    Plenty of countries have free education and Healthcare.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [+] 0 points 6 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, muscovites just made friends, that's not imperialism. Sakha just wanted to give it's oil and minerals to Moscow. Yakutia just wanted desperately to learn Russian. It's not imperialism if there are no boats involved!

    Estonia? Now their GDP per capita is not 20% higher, it's 200% higher than Russia. Yes, triple as high. Obviously Russia was robbing them blind, and holding them back. Same as most other republics and Warsaw pact nations. GDP explosions after ditching the red parasite.

    Ukraine had borders just fine when Soviets invaded them. If not for the war they lost against Poland in 1920 they would have kept invading and repressing nations. Belorussian language is almost extinct nowadays after all the russification. Same for Ukrainian in Eastern Ukraine.

    French killed 1 million Algerians? Rookie numbers, they should have learned from the holodomor.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)