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'Abhorrent' step-incest porn to be banned with up to five years in prison (metro.co.uk)
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[–] 1 point 7 months ago (9 children)

Hard disagree. People are responsible for there actions. Not the media they consume. We live in the real world with a multitude of influences to teach us how to act right. Media is fantasy, you can derive inspiration from it but it's not a guideline for behavior. Literally talking to a single individual woman should be sufficient to show a rational individual that pornography is not depicting real scenarios. Millions of people are watching this shit and there's a handful who are a problem and is there actually even a direct link between their actions and having viewed this shit? People have been sexually assaulting their children and subordinates for as long as there have been people. Assholes are always going to be assholes.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (8 children)

    So do you oppose DEI and representation of minorities in media then with the same gusto and ferver? Do you oppose all social programs that aim to correct systemic biases that negatively impact different demographic slices? Or on the flip side, do you think that snuff/torture films should be normalised, as they're just 'fantasy' and any sane person should just 'know' that you shouldn't do that sort of thing? "People've been dealing drugs forever, and they're going to continue dealing drugs -- it doesn't matter if 99% of drug dealers depicted in media are black!". It's the same principle.

    Why do you make an exception for this particular case? My guess would be that it applies more personally to you, and you find that uncomfortable, so you're trying to defend your preferred dumb monkey content. But we're all dumb monkeys, and we gotta look out for each other. Hell, the UK had a pretty big "wake the fuck up" moment with the series "Adolescence" about incel boys and being captured by manscape bullshit, which is in the same realm as what you're seemingly pushing. If you recognise that the issues presented in adolescence reflect broader issues in the community, then you should realistically also accept that those ecosystems need to get regulated/changed systemically to try and resolve the problem: it isn't up to the impressionable 16 year old kid to make sure he comes of age in a culture that provides a positive sexual environment, but rather it's up to (presumably) adults/people like you to look out for that kids well being, and ensure he's not being exposed to misleading tropes.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

    So do you oppose DEI and representation of minorities in media then with the same gusto and ferver?

    No, people producing media can cast whoever they want. I just don't think it has as much impact on the viewer as your statements implies. People may take inspiration from it but any rational individual understands that what they are consuming is not representing reality whether it's positive or negative. You may think superman is cool and want to emulate his ideals to try to be a better person, but you're not going to jump off the roof unless there's something wrong with you.

    Do you oppose all social programs that aim to correct systemic biases that negatively impact different demographic slices?

    No, and this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    Or on the flip side, do you think that snuff/torture films should be normalised, as they’re just ‘fantasy’ and any sane person should just ‘know’ that you shouldn’t do that sort of thing?

    It's certainly not my thing but I don't think they should be censored (assuming the content is fake, otherwise it's already a crime and there's already systems in place to deal with that). It is fantasy and you should know not to do that sort of thing. Again real life experience should be sufficient for a person to learn that hurting people is bad.

    “People’ve been dealing drugs forever, and they’re going to continue dealing drugs – it doesn’t matter if 99% of drug dealers depicted in media are black!”. It’s the same principle.

    I don't know where you got this quote from. It's certainly not something I said nor do I think that stat is accurate.

    Why do you make an exception for this particular case? My guess would be that it applies more personally to you, and you find that uncomfortable, so you’re trying to defend your preferred dumb monkey content.

    I'm not making any exceptions. My opinion on censorship is consistent for all types of media. If I don't like something I don't watch it. I don't try to emulate everything I see in front of me.

    My guess would be that it applies more personally to you, and you find that uncomfortable, so you’re trying to defend your preferred dumb monkey content. But we’re all dumb monkeys, and we gotta look out for each other.

    I don't give a shit about incest porn. It's the same as most of the rest of it just with different labels on the characters. I'm not defending it. I'm arguing that your reasoning for being against it is bad. Because I'm not a monkey and I'm capable of critical thought.

    Hell, the UK had a pretty big “wake the fuck up” moment with the series “Adolescence”

    Never heard of it, and looking it up I don't see any controversy surrounding it so not sure what you're referring to here.

    it isn’t up to the impressionable 16 year old kid to make sure he comes of age in a culture that provides a positive sexual environment, but rather it’s up to (presumably) adults/people like you to look out for that kids well being, and ensure he’s not being exposed to misleading tropes.

    16 is certainly old enough to know right from wrong. That said I agree it's up to adults to provide guidance to younger people. I disagree on the method. We are never going to be able to censor away every piece of objectionable content a kid may run across. What we can do is teach them moral values and to think critically about the differences between media they are consuming and reality. Doing so prepares them for whatever they may encounter and results in a more well rounded individual as a bonus.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (6 children) 
    Hell, the UK had a pretty big “wake the fuck up” moment with the series “Adolescence”

    Never heard of it, and looking it up I don’t see any controversy surrounding it so not sure what you’re referring to here.

    Considering this is a thread about a UK policy decision, you should likely familiarize yourself with other cultures approaches to things. I'm "guessing" you're an American. If so, America's not a great poster child to comment on any other nations approach to these sorts of topics, considering your government has basically pushed to dumb down and idiocracy-ify your population through their approach on these subjects. Adolescence was an award winning show, heavily featured on the BBC, and discussed broadly as it highlighted toxic masculinity and issues for young men. Even as a Canadian, who didn't watch the show, I'm aware of it and its general themes/topics due to how much media attention it received. Maybe you're just in a pro-America "Let them figure it out themself! MA FREEDOM TO FAP!!!" bubble.

    Your comment about 16 year olds also smacks of American "She wasn't a child, she was past puberty!" type reasoning.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    So you're resorting to insults instead of arguing any of my actual points and acting as if geography has anything to do with it. I think we're done here.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (4 children)

    That's a stretch.

    I noted that other countries have different approaches, which are working much better in general (it seems) than America's current disaster. You basically admitted to not being aware of other cultures or their approaches, so you admitted your own knowledge deficiency... but then acted like it was a winning point, which is a very American thing to do: "Well, I, as an AMERICAN, don't know this so its WRONG!" (american exceptionalism is really really weird to see still on display these days). And your position generally aligns with the thinking that lead to America's situation, aligns with the American right-wing sentiment of "let them figure it out themselves, no social supports or regulations! Freedom! Freedom to be techno fascists!!" (techno fapists?). That's not an approach or thought process that others should adopt.

    Your comments about 16 year olds being old enough, is quite explicitly the same argument made by the Pedophile rulers of America as to why it was ok to go to Epsteins island and fuck children. If you want to think of that as a personal attack against you, because I disagree that 16 year olds are old enough to be capable of fully understanding the influence media has on them (something most american adults don't even comprehend -- see fox news as an example), then, sure, I think you're totally wrong, and your argument is absolute shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Not sure how you got

    “Well, I, as an AMERICAN, don’t know this so its WRONG!”

    From

    Never heard of it, and looking it up I don’t see any controversy surrounding it so not sure what you’re referring to here.

    Missing one Netflix show is hardly "Not being aware of other cultures".

    “let them figure it out themselves, no social supports or regulations! Freedom! Freedom to be techno fascists!!”

    That's not what I said. I said teach people to think critically so they can distinguish reality from fantasy. That's the opposite of letting them figure it out on their own, it requires a great deal of input from those around them while they are growing up. The right wing hates critical thinking, they want us blindly consuming anything put in front of us while they censor anything they find objectionable. Sounds more like your stance to me.

    Your comments about 16 year olds being old enough

    I said old enough to know right from wrong. Not any of the other shit you implied. I didn't say they were old enough to not be coerced or taken advantage of. 16 year olds shouldn't even be part of this discussion. They are already prohibited from viewing porn by the draconion ID laws.

    I disagree that 16 year olds are old enough to be capable of fully understanding the influence media has on them (something most american adults don’t even comprehend

    That's because people aren't taught to think critically. We're taught to memorize and regurgitate facts while our leaders try to absolve everyone from responsibility for their own actions by blaming porn, or comic books, or movies, or video games, or whatever the next scary thing of the week is. That has never and will never solve anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    I understand what your position is, I'm fairly sure, but I still think it's stupid and naive. You're living in a fantasy world. "Everyone should be an intelligent critical thinker who is able to make appropriate moral choices based on a strong internal code/monologue! They should all be smart enough to know right from wrong at 16, even though many adults still don't seem to have that concept on lockdown, because I have declared Education!" is directly at odds with the world around you, wherein people are NOT intelligent, they are dumb monkeys.

    Something like Religion, as an example, is a necessary tool to teach idiots that "Killing is bad". You see American dimwits constantly all "Wait, if you don't believe in god, that means you must be ok murdering people and sinning!", because they are dumb, and incapable of the kind of thought you seem to think should be universal. There's a subset of the population that will always be dumb monkeys. IQ's have an average, which means half the population is dumber than the average person you know, and you're sitting there acting like "no no, if we just magically make everyone smart enough to realise X and Y, then we don't need to do Z!". Dumb monkeys need guard rails and supports to properly function. And we're not talking about some higher art form or revolutionary idea here, we're literally talking about step dads raping their step daughters in pornography, the most base and deplorable forms of entertainment, which is consumed by the most base and stupid segments of the population. It's the sort of shit incels watch.

    As for kids being 'allowed' to see it, dude, seriously? Even before the internet, kids were getting porn in grade school. Again, you're basing your take on some magical fantasy land, with kids who obey every rule, and citizens who are inherently moral.

    Maybe you should worry about how the unfiltered media channels in the US has resulted in your country destroying itself, rather than try to pass judgement on other nations choices to try and support dumb-men from being coerced into being loser incel manosphere andrew tate emulating right-wing drool factories. Like the very demographic this sort of thing is looking to 'improve the social outcomes for' (young men), is the same one that was mobilized as the moron-voting brigade by the right-wing pedo rulers that you all chose for a leader.

    As for "I just missed one netflix show", yeah, ok, whatever, back pedal some more. You missed an award winning Netflix show, which means you missed all the award ceremony announcements associated with it. You also missed all the news that was going on about it for a couple months as they were discussing its social commentary on young boys and the manosphere, at a time when America was going full republican manosphere mode. I'm guessing you missed it because you're in an American news bubble, which would've been all "We can't publish any news about this! It'd be negative towards our republicans/right-wing, who pretty much identify as drooling manosphere cucks!". You then basically declared that it wasn't a thing because you hadn't seen it -- your whole country basically plugged its fucking ears and instead of addressing the issue presented by toxic masculinity, you fucktards elected toxic masculine role models who are now dismantling any respect or good will America may've had, threatening to genocide entire civilizations and to attack your allies. That's where your position leads in reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    You’re living in a fantasy world.

    Says the guy who thinks handing over control of the internet to authoritarian dipshits is going to end well.

    As for kids being ‘allowed’ to see it, dude, seriously? Even before the internet, kids were getting porn in grade school. Again, you’re basing your take on some magical fantasy land, with kids who obey every rule, and citizens who are inherently moral.

    Then this ban serves no purpose.

    Maybe you should worry about how the unfiltered media channels in the US has resulted in your country destroying itself, rather than try to pass judgement on other nations choices to try and support dumb-men from being coerced into being loser incel manosphere andrew tate emulating right-wing drool factories.

    Porn sites aren't funneling people into manosphere shit. They only direct to more porn and like 80% of it is incest shit at this point so practically everyone is viewing at least some of it. Not just incels.

    your whole country basically plugged its fucking ears and instead of addressing the issue presented by toxic masculinity, you fucktards elected toxic masculine role models who are now dismantling any respect or good will America may’ve had, threatening to genocide entire civilizations and to attack your allies. That’s where your position leads in reality.

    That happened because people aren't taught to think critically . So no, my position doesn't lead to this. NOT doing my position leads to it, and again, porn didn't lead people into that shit either.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Some of the most educated people in the world, ivy league sorts, were off raping sex traffic'd children on the USA's pedo island. They're also the cunts running the republican party. "Education will make people moral!". Sure buddy, sure. All evidence to the contrary.

    "80% of the porn is incest rape stuff! There's an increasing trend in "step"-sexual violence. No relation, take no action, it's fine! Freedom to fap to violent anti-social and damaging things, just like our founding fathers wrote down in the pr0nstitution!". And if 80% of it IS incest porn, then what the savvy kids are sneaking access to is incest porn -- I'd rather they had a broader set of choices, ones that weren't so socially conflicted/inappropriate. Ideally, porn that better highlighted healthy grown up relationships/encounters. Teach those young impressionable porn craving monkeys that you need informed consent / a willing partner, rather than romanticising something like raping your step-sister while she's trapped in some stupid fucking appliance -- just walk up, rub her with your dick, and she'll be down! Go on, sniff your step-daughters panties, that way she'll know you want to fuck and will become your cumslut! Ridiculous shit. Absolutely nothing wrong with porn in general, but there is something wrong with porn that depicts damaging stereotypes and tropes, because as I've stated -- dumb monkeys emulate dumb monkey images. Like the UK's also banning/curtailing Strangulation porn, because of upticks in issues related to it. Hell, that 16 yo who sexually assaulted and killed his stepsister, she died via strangulation -- details haven't been released, but it's entirely plausible that he raped her and enacted a strangulation scene to boot.

    Whatever dude, go fap to your incest rape porn all you want. Let other countries do better. The US's approach is not something anyone else should emulate at this point. Go enjoy your rampant gun violence, where the standard line again from America is "A lack of gun regulations isn't what leads to us having ridiculously high gun related violence! It's the few bad actors that are responsible! Guns don't kill people, people kill people! Regulation bad! Constant mass school shootings is just the acceptable price we pay for our freedumb!".

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