a4ng3l comments on 'Abhorrent' step-incest porn to be banned with up to five years in prison

[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Eventually a line needs to be drawn. I think that publishing porn of any sort that flirts with cp is not acceptable, step or not. Same for loli anime content or the whole doll bullshit : if it looks like a kid just don’t.

All the rest if fine as long as it’s consensual.

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[+] wesdym@mastodon.social 3 points 7 months ago (7 children)

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[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (6 children)

Yeah no, my opinion is based on work I had access to in the line of internet censorship handling as someone working in an ISP. They had pretty compelling reasoning related to how this fuels the tendencies of pedo towards actually fulfilling their deviance. You can read about that online, there’s a lot of supporting evidence of such a link. Also it is such a weird hill to die on…

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

I would like to see the evidence, since this argument of "Watching X causes X" or "Playing videogames with X causes X" comes up again and again and is debunked every time serious research was done into it. It would be very surprising to me if this one was somehow an exception. But if there is good evidence of causation (not just correlation) then I can be surprised.

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[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

There’s materials already from Wikipedia in the sources linking to articles about that position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors?wprov=sfti1

There are both reasonings described and the one supporting the regulation links to studies and further opinions.

I suspect there won’t be evidence in the scientific sense for this - it’s a very opinionated field and not a very researched one.

I just note that it was sufficient to align most if not all European ISPs and content hosts that these measures were not unreasonable.

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[–] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah there is substantial evidence that pornography does infact promote real life sexual activities. For instance , anal porn was very popular in the 2000s-2010s.

Many women reported being pressured and coerced into engaging in painful anal sex by partners who saw it in porn and wanted to do it, regardless of the negative effects on their partner.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/18/teenage-girls-pressured-into-painful-and-coercive-anal-sex-because-of-porn-6788524/amp/

"Why Women Engage in Anal Intercourse: Results from a Qualitative Study" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4379393/ Actual research article. Peer reviewed.

And then child pornographic depictions in manga and anime absolutely fuel child abuse in real life.

Here is how sexual arousal and gratification work.

People get fixated on things that turn them on. Sometimes to the point that it's the only way they can become aroused or reach climax.

"Sexual Infantilization: The Peril in Consuming Little Girl Imagery" https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/downloads/0z709415n

When they fixate on things like incest or lollies (girls), they then seek these out in the real world.

They don't think. "Nah I'm only into incest and kids when it's fake".

Quite the opposite. They go looking for the real thing.

I'm not against porn. But I am against porn that normalizes abuse. Incest. Rape. Child sexualization.

Because it absolutely does promote these things in the real world. You can argue all you want that it doesn't but there are decades of research tracking trends that shows it does. People even often started their interest into that type of sexual area by first seeing pornography of it.

'Porn, Power, and the Brain: Pornography scripts shaping Gen Z's neurodevelopment, objectification perceptions and political beliefs" https://leadershipandsocieties.com/index.php/lds/article/view/221

There are reasons why things like smoking in movies were reduced. Because it promotes smoking while downplaying the negative effects.

Life immitates art.

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

So anything even vaguely resembling scientific evidence (Japan statistics) disproves it but people have opinions so let's censor it... Yeah, you are not helping your case...

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[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

Did we read the same page and links? Are you really arguing for lolli materials???

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yes I read the same page. And yes, I am arguing for freedom of speech and art including loli, unless there is a proven harm to others. However disgusting I find it, that is not a reason to ban it for others. I don't believe I should be chosing what other can draw, share or enjoy based on my feelings or made up hypotheticals.

Also, you asking if I am for it like that as if it should not be touched with a 10ft pole tells me you are arguing against it mainly because of your own morals/tastes rather than believing it does harm.