Memes of Production

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 16 points 7 months ago (8 children)

No, that's modern social democracy, which is generally considered fairly centrist. The issue with that is that capitalism still allows massive accumulation of power into the hands of individuals who can they leverage that power in an oppressive manner which is difficult to combat by ordinary folk.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 points 7 months ago (7 children)

They will just roll it back eventually.

I would honestly just start making so much of my own stuff for just myself, do only gig work for the occasional extra, produce and sell food. If everyone did as I did, we would only have the bare minimum alright...

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

They will just roll it back eventually.

Capitalists will always try, which means that leftists will be forced into the position of either wasting effort defending those hard-fought-for rights, or be discredited by their failure to do so (see: literally every leftist critique and analysis of popularity of mainstream parties in Western democracies for the past 40 years).

It doesn't mean that what has been gained is doomed, and certainly not that it's worthless. But it does mean that as long as capitalism lives, it will always fight against everything that's been torn from it.

Tear if there's nothing more to be done at a given moment. But kill it if you can.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

We have to how do I put this...rig things, so that there can be no rollback.

Specifically, empower the individual enough, that it will be really hard to convince them that they need a government at all.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I think that goes under 'killing capitalism'.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 points 7 months ago

And pissing on it's desecrated remains.

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Everything comes down to "billionaires should not exist" literally, a couple of thousand people vanishing off the Earth would start fixing things.

We need a Death Note.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

At least until the next billionaires came about.

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

We issue hunting licenses for animals when their numbers grow so much that they harm their environment. Same principle applies.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

"Left-Right" isn't really a cohesive model of politics, but it's a hard sell for any form of capitalism to be considered left of socialist economics. Like PugJesus said, you've generally described modern social democracy (not to be confused with democratic socialism). It's an improvement, but still a long way away from 'left of left'.