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To those in countries where democracy might last another election - harm reduction is not optional (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

Gore won the votes in election. The system wouldn't let him claim the win.

Yes, Obama gave a us the terrible ACA, which was drastically less than it should have been. He also abandoned most of his lefty campaign promses, and basically ran as a Republican, as he himself admitted. So yes, lefties didn't show up after that. Why would lefties be happy about a supposedly leftist candidate who self admittedly ran like a Republican?

Hillary lost because she is cartoonishly evil, and clearly campaigned on things that she had no intention of doing. She is practically the embodiment of the lying Corporate Democrats, so I don't see why you think she would get votes from the left.

Biden barely won when Trump was at his lowest. It took our lowest-approval rated president, at his worst time, for Biden to win. And once Biden got into office, he ran mostly to the right, with a few small leftist things sprinkled in. His approval kept declining as he continued to do right-wing things. Why you think a right-wing running president should expect to get votes from the left is beyond me.

Harris said she approved of, and would continue with Biden's mostly right-wing policies, all while chasing to the right after Trump.

You keep saying that leftists don't show up, but then point to mostly right-wing politicians, who run mostly right-wing campaigns and policies as your evidence. Meanwhile, actual leftists keep gaining popularity. We have plenty of evidence of voters showing up for the left, but we don't have evidence of politicians actually doing lefty things. It seems logical to me that when politicians pretend they are on the left, but end up moving to the right, that leftist-voters don't show up for them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    If left policy was this "if they just did it, it'd be a landslide" that the left keeps telling me, then gore would have been a landslide, right? Nope.

    Obama. That's what I said, he ran center. and guess what happened???? HE WON. That was the whole point. The only times they win is when they go to the center. Thank you for admitting it. [Slow clap.]

    But when in office he did left things like the ACA: N n n n n n n n n n (how many n's should I have?) not good enough! This is a perfect example of how nothing will be good enough. Want more? They have to walk before they run.

    Hilary: "I'll do this". You: "LIAR". How do I even respond to this, you're just shutting out reality at this point. No conversation can be had, so this is my last message. Oh and it doesn't even matter because that's what she ran on and that left policy is what lost. That was the whole point.

    Both Hilary and Obama you're doing mental gymnastics to avoid the point: center wins elections, left loses elections. That was the whole point.

    Biden. That's how he won. That was the whole point. You're 3 for 3 on missing the point that center wins and left loses.

    Green energy. you: "RIGHT WING NONSENSE". Student debt relief. You: "MORE RIGHT WING NONSENSE". Repeat ad nauseum.

    I was wrong, it wasn't n n n not good enough. You're just doing mental gymnastics to avoid the point and then shutting out reality. Ciao.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You are correct. The ACA was not good enough. We could have healthcare for all, but instead we got giant handouts to Health Insurance companies. Once again, Obama himself said that he was basically an old-school Republican. It seems pretty logical to me that leftists don't want right wing politicians.

    If being a leftist loses elections, how come the aforementioned politicans campaign on leftist policies, then abandon them? It seems like the entire point of their strategy is to appear leftist, then suddenly run to the right once they get elected. That strategy only works if leftists bring in the votes.

    If you keep ignoring my points about how badly Trump had to be for Biden to win, then no, you won't ever really understand what I'm saying. But if you actually engage with what I said, that changes things.

    Biden did half-ass green energy. I applaud him for that, while saying it was still nearly not good enough. Biden did less than the bare minimum that he campaigned on for debt relief. Yes, I don't think that is good enough.

    A left candidate would not have done more drilling for oil than first term trump. A left candidate would have eliminated the student-debt system altogether. A candidate that leftists would vote for would not have deported massive amounts of people, while bailing out his rich friends, and bombing children.

    Biden ran on a lot of those things, and as he abandoned them, his approval rating tanked. Weird, how that works.

    You are correct, that your examples of right-wing politicians doing minorly leftist policy aren't good enough. I don't know why you think that is an argumentative win.

    I haven't shut out anything. I keep bringing up points, and you keep saying "n n n not good enough", as though it's an actual argument.

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