Although Iran does not border the Bab al-Mandeb Strait, Yemen does, and Iran is closely allied with the Houthis, the Yemeni militant group that previously conducted dozens of strikes against Israel-linked vessels in the Red Sea in 2023 and 2024 in response to the war in Gaza.

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[+] -9 points 7 months ago (20 children)

instead of working towards a more collaborative and egalitarian future with their neighboring countries and cultures

You mean the ones that have "death to Israel" as a slogan? C'mon people. Don't lionize Iran just because you're angry at Israel and the US.

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  • I’m not glorifying or supporting nihilistic slogans like that. I’m saying that there’s a reason they became popular, and it’s the same reason they have tended to grow in popularity.

    As in: if Israel had maintained a strong defense force, acknowledged and made attempts to rectify mistakes from their past, and simultaneously tried their best to get along with and form economic and cultural ties with the surrounding countries and cultures instead of resorting to military adventurism every time they felt a bit squeamish, perhaps they wouldn’t be in the extremely fucky and deeply, darkly ironic position they’re in today.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (18 children)

    Did you ever stop to think why they say that?

    Counldnt have anything to do with the way Isriel has treated muslim neighbours could it now.

    Edit: let me be clear.

    Fuck the Iranian government and its burtal oppression of its people.

    But fuck the US for making it worse.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    They've said it since the '70s. Maybe instead of entrenching their theocratic dictatorship for decades they should be working towards a more collaborative and egalitarian future with their neighboring countries and cultures.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    what else happened about then.....

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago* (14 children)

    And what happened before that? And before that? And before that? This is how all these discussions go. But you blame Israel for not "cozing up" to a regime that literally does not recognize their legitimacy and has done so for 50 years while it has also funded terror groups to attack them.

    I'm sorry but there is not black and white here.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Iran is right not to recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli state, because it was recently created via a violent settler-colonial occupation culminating in a genocide. It's not black and white, but it isn't completely fucking gray either, and there are some parts of this that are black and white.

    From the American Declaration of Independence:

    We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    Israel de facto governs the Palestinian people without their consent, depriving them of all rights and treating them as disposable. In this case where Israel has refused all attempts of the Palestinians to alter this arrangement the only path that remains to them is to abolish the Israeli state, as is their right. Israel does not have a right to exist and no other state does either. The existence of any state is a privilege derived from the consent of the governed.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (11 children)

    Your right, there's tons of historical context here.

    You act like this attitude twords the US and its allies are in a vacuum.

    You act like Israel doesn't have nukes treating them as well, funding terror in the region themselves. Gaza and Lebanon come to mind.

    Why should Iran cozy up to such a hostile nation?

    They're not. There rooted in the blood spilled by those same countries.

    If the US is hated, it's probably justified.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    If the US is hated, it’s probably justified.

    I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying, and did say, not to lionize Iran just because you're mad at Israel and the US.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    I can be mad at both, and still believe Iran is in the right to defend itself from American and Israeli imperialism first.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I can't support any state that has supported terrorism the way Iran has. There is no justification for that.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    What about the american terrorism? Glossing over that?

    What I'm pointing out here,

    Is that Americans and Israels have been the terrorist for decades in that region. Assisinating generals they feel like, bombing schools, developing nukes, the list goes on so much more than Iran and its proxies. So o don't understand how you can primailry denounce the little guy, at the expense of the angry shark in the room.

    Because there likely wouldn't be as much terrorism, if not for the decades of antagonist behaviours.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    What about the american terrorism? Glossing over that?

    Nope.

    Because there likely wouldn’t be as much terrorism, if not for the decades of antagonist behaviours.

    look what you made me do!

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    Look at what you made me do

    So you are saying the us shouldn't have launched the campaign? Because that sounds exactly like how your responding as well. They're all terrorists, look at what you made me do......

    What makes Iran terorists and the us not one?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    So you are saying the us shouldn’t have launched the campaign?

    Yes. I haven't said otherwise - y'all just assume I'm saying whatever the straw-man in your head has ready arguments for.

    That said - terrorism is always the greater evil than military attacking military. You can justify war as "politics through other means" but when you start attacking non-combatant populations you're in a world of wrong. There is no justification for it. That was Iran's choice. That they fought back isn't (necessarily) wrong, but that they have chosen terrorism as their means is.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    This isn't military attacking military. The US and Israel are bombing schools, universities, water desalination plants, power plants, police stations, and other civilian targets, along with those who attempt to negotiate. This is terrorism, and there is no justification for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    Israel has a long history of funding terrorism as well. In the 1950s, Zionists secretly performed terrorist attacks on Jewish synagogues and communities around the middle east. This was done in an effort to make them feel unsafe in Arab countries to promote migrations to the newly-formed country of Israel. Before this, Jewish people largely lived at peace alongside Muslims, as they were traditionally considered "People of the Book" due to their shared Abrahamic-religious background.

    Furthermore, Netanyahu's government has a history of funding Hamas to prevent the more moderate Palestinian Authority from representing Palestinians. Up until Oct. 7, Netanyahu was funneling 35 million dollars a month to Hamas through Qatar, with over 1 billion dollars transferred in total. He would do anything to prevent a two-state solution, and was also desperate for a distraction from his 10-year long corruption investigation.

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