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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (13 children)

It has nothing to do with faith in a deity.

It’s a belief that no such thing could exist without having any actual confirmation.

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[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago (11 children)

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Is the claim not that “no god exists”?

If it weren’t, it’d just be agnosticism?

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[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (9 children)

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (8 children)

So . . . What do atheists claim?

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[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

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[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

That's agnosticism not atheism. The definition of atheism is literally in the word a-theism, the opposite of theism. A theist believes there's at least one deity, an atheist believes the opposite, that there are no deities. An agnostic, in a sense, believes nothing. There's no proof God exists, there's no proof God doesn't exist so an agnostic makes no claims about God. By rejecting the the possibility of a God you're making a claim and without proof that claim becomes faith.

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[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

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[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

Also it’s absolutely ridiculous to say that rejecting a claim is the same as making a claim. This doesn’t hold up to even the most basic of philosophical rigor.

You are claiming that rejecting a claim needs no proof to be true. Alright, I'll reject your claim. What now?

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago

So all non verbal intelligence is atheist. Hm. Well that’ll certainly pump up those numbers.

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[–] rescue_toaster@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Most atheists are agnostic atheists that do not accept the proposition that a god or gods exist. They make no claims.

Theist: There is a god. (claim)

Atheist : I'm not convinced. (Rejection of the claim)

Because society is so heavily influenced by god belief, there exists a term for those that reject the god claim. Most do not believe bigfoot exists, but there's no special "abigfootist" word for the same exact position about not believing in a god. And people don't go yelling at "abigfootists" to prove bigfoot does not exist.

There are some atheists that claim there is no god, and that would absolutely require evidence.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago

I thought they were different, i.e.
atheist:

One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.
And agnostic:
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

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[–] yakko@feddit.uk 16 points 7 months ago

It's true that all beliefs are a leap of faith to some degree. I would have difficulty stating a belief that "there is no fly in this room" simply because I have not detected it. I am fly-agnostic.

It is also however true, that we can dismiss without proof anything that is alleged without proof. If you tell me there is a fly but I cannot find it, I need not subscribe to fly-agnosticism to presume you were mistaken!