People on Lemmy love to cry AI IS BURNING THE PLANNET but have they ever really looked at the numbers?

  • 1 kg Beef = 60kg CO2 - source
  • 1000km Return flight = 314kg CO2 - source
  • 1 Bitcoin transaction = 645kg of CO2 - source
  • 1000 AI prompts = 3kg of CO2 - source including training

I'm a strong advocate for privacy, and I myself am Anti generative AI in many ways, but can we please stop shouting that AI IS BRUNING THE PLANNET, it weakens our position to push back at actual issues with AI like privacy.

Here is a detailed breakdown debunking that AI is destroying the planet: https://andymasley.substack.com/p/a-cheat-sheet-for-conversations-about

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[–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

TL;DR;

Any place people can/do starve to death, but might potentially have easier physical access to processed(ultraprocesed ?) foods or potentially, local animals.

See below for specifics.


Mainland US?

There are plenty of people living at or below the poverty line, the nature of the food industry as it stands means that easy and affordable access to a non-meat diet isn't always viable.

There are people dying of lack of access to food in general, let alone non-meat food, but let's focus on the latter for now.

Let's take the outdated atomic family, 2 adults 2.4 children.

Both adults working more than full time, kids in school full time.

Local access to enough viable non-meat foodstuffs isn't always feasible within budgetary and time constraints see : Food Deserts

I mentioned caloric and nutritional for a reason, it's possible to get enough calories and not be nutritionally sound in the medium to long term.

You eat what you can afford and by afford i mean in terms of both fiscal and time constraints.

There are of course vegetarian and vegan options for meals, rice, beans, lentils, vegetables etc.

Assuming you can get a hold of those things in enough quantities, all the time, forever.

I'm not saying it's everyone all the time, I’m saying extreme poverty exists, people starve and starving people don't always have the luxury of taking the moral high-ground.

Should society be like this? fuck no.

Is it , in some places? absolutely.

Does the Venn diagram of these people and the people complaining about AI being worse than the meat industry line up? i doubt it, but my point was :

Necessity is relative and contextual, there are legitimately places where eating meat is required because the caloric and nutritional consequences of not eating meat are life threatening.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    How is it other people's fault. Nobody made you guys discriminante against black people and only eat junk food

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    You asked for an example, i gave you one.

    If you need some clarification, just point at the bit that's confusing and i'll see what i can do.

    .....

    Yeah, ignore all the below stuff, i'll leave it there for posterity but i just a had a quick look through your history and i want nothing to do with any of that.

    ok, i know i probably shouldn't feed the trolls, but I’m genuinely interested how you got from "here is the example you asked for" to

    > How is it other people’s fault. Nobody made you guys discriminante against black people and only eat junk food

    No blame was assigned, no discrimination was mentioned, nor any specific ethnicities, the only thing i explicitly mentioned was poverty and starvation, low quality food was sort of mentioned, referentially.

    The necessities of poverty is a bigger discussion and given how you did with this small one , i'll just save us both time and just skip that entirely.

    I'm also wondering who you mean by "you guys" who is it you think i am ?

    Also also, in case it's relevant, i picked the mainland US because you sounded like you thought it was only remote regions that had this problem, but Food Security is an issue in many places.

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