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With Reddit flirting with requiring Age verification, the next Rexit might be around the corner, are we ready? (piefed.social)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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With previous Rexit's like the API debarcle etc. many users were left looking for an alternative, but with decision fatigue and bad UX etc. most did not find the Fediverse a viable option.

What needs to still improve, how can we be ready this time?

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[–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Exactly. Getting my account her took a week. I had to sign up then go through an application process. Like I get it, it helps reduce bots and stuff but golly it’s a pain and the average user isn’t going to do it

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    lemmy.world is really slow at accepting applications, we should not be suggesting it for new users

    but you're fine to stay there since you're already in

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    Well what do you expect when the entire community thinks everyone should sign up for Lemmy.world and make this place even more centralized?

    Its really stupid, but thats what it is.... Hey look, we have federated technology! Lets all go to Lemmy.world because its the largest instance and users dont know what to pick anyway, so lets just put them there.

    Lets make another centralized reddit with federated technology!

    Honestly I dont think federation even is a valuable feature. People just want to be where everyone else is. The idea is good, but people dont care about the tech, they just want to use their apps and enjoy the experience.

    There are some small advantages to many instances but the trend is to not even federate with instances that you dont like, so... Lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    IDK I think it works brilliantly.

    It prevents the iron grip on users/content like Reddit/Twitter have achieved. Enshitification can be defeated by moving instances, which is way easier when it can be done piecemeal instead of all at once, users can move at will and not even lose their friends and communities. Lemmy.world is less than a third of the Threadiverse, and only like 1% of the Fediverse. Enshitification relies on slowly boiling the frog, but here with federation that would cause a slow bleed of users moving until there's no one left in your enshitified instance. Finding alternatives is really easy and you'll already be used to the software since there are other instances with the same software.

    If the software tries to enshitify then the code can be forked, instance admins can band together to support the new fork. Or switch to a different platform entirely like PieFed instead of Lemmy. Or even just changing the frontend to Photon or something like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think user friction without federation will always result in too much lock-in. Federation is our only chance to actually defeat the network effect and allow new platforms/instances to actually have a fighting chance at competing when they are better.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I would love to see a federation model where each user has an encrypted profile and content in their own archive that they manage and/or have stored somewhere for them, which they can then use to join servers and choose what data from their profile they share with who else on that server, as well as participate in server local and federated public channels, as well as private data exchanges facilitated but not readable by the server or federated network of servers you have a user account signed up.

    This sounds like more work/requirements/issues placed on the casual users, it won't work, people are too lazy. You have to lean into the 90%/9%/1% rule and let the instance admins and community moderators handle everything for the casual users.

    You're right though, it doesn't need to be ActivityPub. However no one says a platform can't support multiple federation protocols at the same time, at least while a transition is ongoing.

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