▲ 78 ▼ Pope Leo says aerial military strikes should be banned (www.reuters.com) submitted 7 months ago by DamnianWayne@lemmy.world to c/world 18 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 12 points 7 months ago (11 children) This seems like a rather childlike understanding of war permalink fedilink source hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] deacon@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (10 children) Good? I don’t believe in the Pope’s god anymore but many, many people look to him for moral guidance. Any moral guidance on war should not be complex, even if the path to living up to that stance is astronomically unfathomably complex. I don’t believe that the Christian Jesus had a very nuanced take on violent conflict. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 6 points 7 months ago (9 children) Yeah but it's meaningless. You might as well say shooting people should be banned too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] deacon@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (7 children) Oh yeah, probably, but that’s different than being childlike. I guess you mean it’s naive for him to think it is going to make any difference him saying that. Probably so. The power of the pope in geopolitics is at a pretty low ebb. I’m not claiming so but wouldn’t be surprised to find out he’s got the least influence he’s had since being simply First Among Bishops many centuries ago. He still has a ton of influence with the catholic flock, which is huge, and with a lot of non-Catholics aside from a few groups that repudiate him. So it’s nice of him to use his platform, but let’s be real, in terms of influence among world leaders, he’s The Catholic Pope moralizing at a Jew, a Muslim, and a Christian Nationalist. Not the most receptive trio. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 7 months ago (6 children) The naivety isn't him saying it, it's him thinking that such a thing could or would ever come to pass, and what such a thing would even mean if it did. I'm not begrudging the pope using his pulpit to push for morality (though, he is the head of an international criminal organization), I'm begrudging his frankly idiotic approach. Calling it childlike was perhaps me being kind. If he was somehow successful, what would it mean? Let's say the whole world got together and signed the "we won't bomb anyone" charter. How long until the next bomb fell? Minutes? Hours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Criticizing the Pope for acting like a true Christian is a Hell of a take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago That's not the part I'm criticizing.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* True Christians have supported imperialists for centuries and been toothless in the face of other true evils, yes. I do not know what is any good about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deacon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah see I do kind of disagree with you then. It’s interesting that we seem to agree on the illegitimacy of the Pope but diverge sharply on how he should use his ill-gotten influence. My thinking is he doesn’t need to offer practical solutions, he needs to use his ill-gotten influence to at least pull the discourse in the right direction - and to keep speaking up to remind people that all of this is wrong and not normal. And again, most world leaders themselves are not going to listen much, I definitely get that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think he should use his I'll gotten influence for good too, but this ain't it. What good does pushing the idea that "bombing shouldn't be allowed" do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago Maybe even make a commandment against it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deacon@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (10 children) Good? I don’t believe in the Pope’s god anymore but many, many people look to him for moral guidance. Any moral guidance on war should not be complex, even if the path to living up to that stance is astronomically unfathomably complex. I don’t believe that the Christian Jesus had a very nuanced take on violent conflict. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 6 points 7 months ago (9 children) Yeah but it's meaningless. You might as well say shooting people should be banned too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] deacon@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (7 children) Oh yeah, probably, but that’s different than being childlike. I guess you mean it’s naive for him to think it is going to make any difference him saying that. Probably so. The power of the pope in geopolitics is at a pretty low ebb. I’m not claiming so but wouldn’t be surprised to find out he’s got the least influence he’s had since being simply First Among Bishops many centuries ago. He still has a ton of influence with the catholic flock, which is huge, and with a lot of non-Catholics aside from a few groups that repudiate him. So it’s nice of him to use his platform, but let’s be real, in terms of influence among world leaders, he’s The Catholic Pope moralizing at a Jew, a Muslim, and a Christian Nationalist. Not the most receptive trio. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 7 months ago (6 children) The naivety isn't him saying it, it's him thinking that such a thing could or would ever come to pass, and what such a thing would even mean if it did. I'm not begrudging the pope using his pulpit to push for morality (though, he is the head of an international criminal organization), I'm begrudging his frankly idiotic approach. Calling it childlike was perhaps me being kind. If he was somehow successful, what would it mean? Let's say the whole world got together and signed the "we won't bomb anyone" charter. How long until the next bomb fell? Minutes? Hours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Criticizing the Pope for acting like a true Christian is a Hell of a take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago That's not the part I'm criticizing.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* True Christians have supported imperialists for centuries and been toothless in the face of other true evils, yes. I do not know what is any good about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deacon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah see I do kind of disagree with you then. It’s interesting that we seem to agree on the illegitimacy of the Pope but diverge sharply on how he should use his ill-gotten influence. My thinking is he doesn’t need to offer practical solutions, he needs to use his ill-gotten influence to at least pull the discourse in the right direction - and to keep speaking up to remind people that all of this is wrong and not normal. And again, most world leaders themselves are not going to listen much, I definitely get that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think he should use his I'll gotten influence for good too, but this ain't it. What good does pushing the idea that "bombing shouldn't be allowed" do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago Maybe even make a commandment against it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 6 points 7 months ago (9 children) Yeah but it's meaningless. You might as well say shooting people should be banned too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] deacon@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (7 children) Oh yeah, probably, but that’s different than being childlike. I guess you mean it’s naive for him to think it is going to make any difference him saying that. Probably so. The power of the pope in geopolitics is at a pretty low ebb. I’m not claiming so but wouldn’t be surprised to find out he’s got the least influence he’s had since being simply First Among Bishops many centuries ago. He still has a ton of influence with the catholic flock, which is huge, and with a lot of non-Catholics aside from a few groups that repudiate him. So it’s nice of him to use his platform, but let’s be real, in terms of influence among world leaders, he’s The Catholic Pope moralizing at a Jew, a Muslim, and a Christian Nationalist. Not the most receptive trio. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 7 months ago (6 children) The naivety isn't him saying it, it's him thinking that such a thing could or would ever come to pass, and what such a thing would even mean if it did. I'm not begrudging the pope using his pulpit to push for morality (though, he is the head of an international criminal organization), I'm begrudging his frankly idiotic approach. Calling it childlike was perhaps me being kind. If he was somehow successful, what would it mean? Let's say the whole world got together and signed the "we won't bomb anyone" charter. How long until the next bomb fell? Minutes? Hours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Criticizing the Pope for acting like a true Christian is a Hell of a take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago That's not the part I'm criticizing.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* True Christians have supported imperialists for centuries and been toothless in the face of other true evils, yes. I do not know what is any good about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deacon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah see I do kind of disagree with you then. It’s interesting that we seem to agree on the illegitimacy of the Pope but diverge sharply on how he should use his ill-gotten influence. My thinking is he doesn’t need to offer practical solutions, he needs to use his ill-gotten influence to at least pull the discourse in the right direction - and to keep speaking up to remind people that all of this is wrong and not normal. And again, most world leaders themselves are not going to listen much, I definitely get that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think he should use his I'll gotten influence for good too, but this ain't it. What good does pushing the idea that "bombing shouldn't be allowed" do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago Maybe even make a commandment against it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deacon@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (7 children) Oh yeah, probably, but that’s different than being childlike. I guess you mean it’s naive for him to think it is going to make any difference him saying that. Probably so. The power of the pope in geopolitics is at a pretty low ebb. I’m not claiming so but wouldn’t be surprised to find out he’s got the least influence he’s had since being simply First Among Bishops many centuries ago. He still has a ton of influence with the catholic flock, which is huge, and with a lot of non-Catholics aside from a few groups that repudiate him. So it’s nice of him to use his platform, but let’s be real, in terms of influence among world leaders, he’s The Catholic Pope moralizing at a Jew, a Muslim, and a Christian Nationalist. Not the most receptive trio. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 7 months ago (6 children) The naivety isn't him saying it, it's him thinking that such a thing could or would ever come to pass, and what such a thing would even mean if it did. I'm not begrudging the pope using his pulpit to push for morality (though, he is the head of an international criminal organization), I'm begrudging his frankly idiotic approach. Calling it childlike was perhaps me being kind. If he was somehow successful, what would it mean? Let's say the whole world got together and signed the "we won't bomb anyone" charter. How long until the next bomb fell? Minutes? Hours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Criticizing the Pope for acting like a true Christian is a Hell of a take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago That's not the part I'm criticizing.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* True Christians have supported imperialists for centuries and been toothless in the face of other true evils, yes. I do not know what is any good about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deacon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah see I do kind of disagree with you then. It’s interesting that we seem to agree on the illegitimacy of the Pope but diverge sharply on how he should use his ill-gotten influence. My thinking is he doesn’t need to offer practical solutions, he needs to use his ill-gotten influence to at least pull the discourse in the right direction - and to keep speaking up to remind people that all of this is wrong and not normal. And again, most world leaders themselves are not going to listen much, I definitely get that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think he should use his I'll gotten influence for good too, but this ain't it. What good does pushing the idea that "bombing shouldn't be allowed" do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 7 months ago (6 children) The naivety isn't him saying it, it's him thinking that such a thing could or would ever come to pass, and what such a thing would even mean if it did. I'm not begrudging the pope using his pulpit to push for morality (though, he is the head of an international criminal organization), I'm begrudging his frankly idiotic approach. Calling it childlike was perhaps me being kind. If he was somehow successful, what would it mean? Let's say the whole world got together and signed the "we won't bomb anyone" charter. How long until the next bomb fell? Minutes? Hours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Criticizing the Pope for acting like a true Christian is a Hell of a take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago That's not the part I'm criticizing.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* True Christians have supported imperialists for centuries and been toothless in the face of other true evils, yes. I do not know what is any good about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deacon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah see I do kind of disagree with you then. It’s interesting that we seem to agree on the illegitimacy of the Pope but diverge sharply on how he should use his ill-gotten influence. My thinking is he doesn’t need to offer practical solutions, he needs to use his ill-gotten influence to at least pull the discourse in the right direction - and to keep speaking up to remind people that all of this is wrong and not normal. And again, most world leaders themselves are not going to listen much, I definitely get that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think he should use his I'll gotten influence for good too, but this ain't it. What good does pushing the idea that "bombing shouldn't be allowed" do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Criticizing the Pope for acting like a true Christian is a Hell of a take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago That's not the part I'm criticizing.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* True Christians have supported imperialists for centuries and been toothless in the face of other true evils, yes. I do not know what is any good about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago That's not the part I'm criticizing.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* True Christians have supported imperialists for centuries and been toothless in the face of other true evils, yes. I do not know what is any good about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deacon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) Ah see I do kind of disagree with you then. It’s interesting that we seem to agree on the illegitimacy of the Pope but diverge sharply on how he should use his ill-gotten influence. My thinking is he doesn’t need to offer practical solutions, he needs to use his ill-gotten influence to at least pull the discourse in the right direction - and to keep speaking up to remind people that all of this is wrong and not normal. And again, most world leaders themselves are not going to listen much, I definitely get that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think he should use his I'll gotten influence for good too, but this ain't it. What good does pushing the idea that "bombing shouldn't be allowed" do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think he should use his I'll gotten influence for good too, but this ain't it. What good does pushing the idea that "bombing shouldn't be allowed" do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's a good unrealistic sound piece from a fascist American who actually wanted this war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago Maybe even make a commandment against it permalink fedilink source parent