▲ 84 ▼ Ukrainian diaspora protest against the Soviet Union, Washington DC, USA, 1984 (lemmy.world) submitted 1 year ago by PugJesus@lemmy.world to c/historyporn@lemmy.world 5 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] hayk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) 7mil Ukrainians. wow, that's a number permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* nearly all of diaspora, descendants of volunteer ww2 nazis fleeing USSR war crimes "persecutions" permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Modern estimates tend closer to 3-5 million, but 1984 was before the opening of the Soviet archives to researchers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hayk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) what I really meant is that it's quite a bullshit. Stalinist repressions affected a wide range of nationalities and likely total around a million. this includes dekulakization which was pretty much a necessity given the economic circumstances. the number of Ukrainians affected is unlikely to be in millions (I also don't think it's morally right to isolate a single nation, since they were all a single country). I think often the people mix up the # of deaths during the famine with Stalin's repressions, which is quite a stretch, since the former was really hard to avoid given the damages done during the civil war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago I also don't think it's morally right to isolate a single nation, since they were all a single country They were all Russian, so fuck 'em? That statement is confusing, to say the least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* nearly all of diaspora, descendants of volunteer ww2 nazis fleeing USSR war crimes "persecutions" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Modern estimates tend closer to 3-5 million, but 1984 was before the opening of the Soviet archives to researchers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hayk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) what I really meant is that it's quite a bullshit. Stalinist repressions affected a wide range of nationalities and likely total around a million. this includes dekulakization which was pretty much a necessity given the economic circumstances. the number of Ukrainians affected is unlikely to be in millions (I also don't think it's morally right to isolate a single nation, since they were all a single country). I think often the people mix up the # of deaths during the famine with Stalin's repressions, which is quite a stretch, since the former was really hard to avoid given the damages done during the civil war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago I also don't think it's morally right to isolate a single nation, since they were all a single country They were all Russian, so fuck 'em? That statement is confusing, to say the least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hayk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) what I really meant is that it's quite a bullshit. Stalinist repressions affected a wide range of nationalities and likely total around a million. this includes dekulakization which was pretty much a necessity given the economic circumstances. the number of Ukrainians affected is unlikely to be in millions (I also don't think it's morally right to isolate a single nation, since they were all a single country). I think often the people mix up the # of deaths during the famine with Stalin's repressions, which is quite a stretch, since the former was really hard to avoid given the damages done during the civil war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago I also don't think it's morally right to isolate a single nation, since they were all a single country They were all Russian, so fuck 'em? That statement is confusing, to say the least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago I also don't think it's morally right to isolate a single nation, since they were all a single country They were all Russian, so fuck 'em? That statement is confusing, to say the least. permalink fedilink source parent