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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (17 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 year ago (12 children) Outdoor domestic cats have directly contributed to the mass extinction of at least 33 species of wildlife worldwide: https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/files/documents/keep-cats-indoors.pdf Plus the obvious answer, they live longer when they can't be mauled or run over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children) OK, thanks. So I guess the situation is this: it depends. For example our cats do kill a bird a year maybe (species that are around in large numbers) but they mostly hunt mice which are abundant in most places and it's actually a benefit to cull their numbers. While we also had one cat get poisoned by assholes we don't have any issues with cats getting run over ever and that's in a (EU) city. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I am not arguing about this. Thanks for your statement. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. It doesn’t depend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) It really does. Situated in Europe, there is no more wildlife to destroy. What wildlife could be destroyed by cats was decimated 10.000 years ago by people. At this point cats are important to cull rat and mice populations. Europe doesn't have nature anymore, and it hasn't in a very long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* No. This is straight up wrong. House cats are not effective mousers, they’re indiscriminate killers who will also kill rodents but will happily kill birds or whatever else they can. Historically dogs are better mousers than cats, because you can train a dog to kill just what you want. Cats are ambush predators, they’re not super into chasing prey very far. Dogs on the other hand will. It’s why the dachshund or rat terrier exists as a breed. Your pet cat isn’t a beneficial member of the ecological niche. Sorry. Feel free to look what I’m saying up and prove me wrong at any point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago This is as far from the truth as it can possibly by permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you say so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago It’s more like if the consensus among ecologists and veterinarians says so, but yes also because I say so I guess permalink fedilink source parent [–] onlyhall@aussie.zone -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Humans contribute to way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago Humans bringing perfect predators around is one way how humans contribute to it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Strider@thelemmy.club 32 points 1 year ago (2 children) Because cats are a godawful menace to local small vertebrate populations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o0evillusion0o@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You mean like mice and rats? We got lots of them to spare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Strider@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago Also songbirds, reptiles, basically anything small enough for them to kill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago They murder so, so many birds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 year ago (12 children) Outdoor domestic cats have directly contributed to the mass extinction of at least 33 species of wildlife worldwide: https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/files/documents/keep-cats-indoors.pdf Plus the obvious answer, they live longer when they can't be mauled or run over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children) OK, thanks. So I guess the situation is this: it depends. For example our cats do kill a bird a year maybe (species that are around in large numbers) but they mostly hunt mice which are abundant in most places and it's actually a benefit to cull their numbers. While we also had one cat get poisoned by assholes we don't have any issues with cats getting run over ever and that's in a (EU) city. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I am not arguing about this. Thanks for your statement. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. It doesn’t depend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) It really does. Situated in Europe, there is no more wildlife to destroy. What wildlife could be destroyed by cats was decimated 10.000 years ago by people. At this point cats are important to cull rat and mice populations. Europe doesn't have nature anymore, and it hasn't in a very long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* No. This is straight up wrong. House cats are not effective mousers, they’re indiscriminate killers who will also kill rodents but will happily kill birds or whatever else they can. Historically dogs are better mousers than cats, because you can train a dog to kill just what you want. Cats are ambush predators, they’re not super into chasing prey very far. Dogs on the other hand will. It’s why the dachshund or rat terrier exists as a breed. Your pet cat isn’t a beneficial member of the ecological niche. Sorry. Feel free to look what I’m saying up and prove me wrong at any point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago This is as far from the truth as it can possibly by permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you say so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago It’s more like if the consensus among ecologists and veterinarians says so, but yes also because I say so I guess permalink fedilink source parent [–] onlyhall@aussie.zone -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Humans contribute to way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago Humans bringing perfect predators around is one way how humans contribute to it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children) OK, thanks. So I guess the situation is this: it depends. For example our cats do kill a bird a year maybe (species that are around in large numbers) but they mostly hunt mice which are abundant in most places and it's actually a benefit to cull their numbers. While we also had one cat get poisoned by assholes we don't have any issues with cats getting run over ever and that's in a (EU) city. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I am not arguing about this. Thanks for your statement. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. It doesn’t depend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) It really does. Situated in Europe, there is no more wildlife to destroy. What wildlife could be destroyed by cats was decimated 10.000 years ago by people. At this point cats are important to cull rat and mice populations. Europe doesn't have nature anymore, and it hasn't in a very long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* No. This is straight up wrong. House cats are not effective mousers, they’re indiscriminate killers who will also kill rodents but will happily kill birds or whatever else they can. Historically dogs are better mousers than cats, because you can train a dog to kill just what you want. Cats are ambush predators, they’re not super into chasing prey very far. Dogs on the other hand will. It’s why the dachshund or rat terrier exists as a breed. Your pet cat isn’t a beneficial member of the ecological niche. Sorry. Feel free to look what I’m saying up and prove me wrong at any point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago This is as far from the truth as it can possibly by permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you say so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago It’s more like if the consensus among ecologists and veterinarians says so, but yes also because I say so I guess permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I am not arguing about this. Thanks for your statement. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I am not arguing about this. Thanks for your statement. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. It doesn’t depend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) It really does. Situated in Europe, there is no more wildlife to destroy. What wildlife could be destroyed by cats was decimated 10.000 years ago by people. At this point cats are important to cull rat and mice populations. Europe doesn't have nature anymore, and it hasn't in a very long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* No. This is straight up wrong. House cats are not effective mousers, they’re indiscriminate killers who will also kill rodents but will happily kill birds or whatever else they can. Historically dogs are better mousers than cats, because you can train a dog to kill just what you want. Cats are ambush predators, they’re not super into chasing prey very far. Dogs on the other hand will. It’s why the dachshund or rat terrier exists as a breed. Your pet cat isn’t a beneficial member of the ecological niche. Sorry. Feel free to look what I’m saying up and prove me wrong at any point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago This is as far from the truth as it can possibly by permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you say so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago It’s more like if the consensus among ecologists and veterinarians says so, but yes also because I say so I guess permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) It really does. Situated in Europe, there is no more wildlife to destroy. What wildlife could be destroyed by cats was decimated 10.000 years ago by people. At this point cats are important to cull rat and mice populations. Europe doesn't have nature anymore, and it hasn't in a very long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* No. This is straight up wrong. House cats are not effective mousers, they’re indiscriminate killers who will also kill rodents but will happily kill birds or whatever else they can. Historically dogs are better mousers than cats, because you can train a dog to kill just what you want. Cats are ambush predators, they’re not super into chasing prey very far. Dogs on the other hand will. It’s why the dachshund or rat terrier exists as a breed. Your pet cat isn’t a beneficial member of the ecological niche. Sorry. Feel free to look what I’m saying up and prove me wrong at any point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago This is as far from the truth as it can possibly by permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* No. This is straight up wrong. House cats are not effective mousers, they’re indiscriminate killers who will also kill rodents but will happily kill birds or whatever else they can. Historically dogs are better mousers than cats, because you can train a dog to kill just what you want. Cats are ambush predators, they’re not super into chasing prey very far. Dogs on the other hand will. It’s why the dachshund or rat terrier exists as a breed. Your pet cat isn’t a beneficial member of the ecological niche. Sorry. Feel free to look what I’m saying up and prove me wrong at any point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago This is as far from the truth as it can possibly by permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strider@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you say so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago It’s more like if the consensus among ecologists and veterinarians says so, but yes also because I say so I guess permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago It’s more like if the consensus among ecologists and veterinarians says so, but yes also because I say so I guess permalink fedilink source parent
[–] onlyhall@aussie.zone -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Humans contribute to way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago Humans bringing perfect predators around is one way how humans contribute to it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago Humans bringing perfect predators around is one way how humans contribute to it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strider@thelemmy.club 32 points 1 year ago (2 children) Because cats are a godawful menace to local small vertebrate populations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o0evillusion0o@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You mean like mice and rats? We got lots of them to spare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Strider@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago Also songbirds, reptiles, basically anything small enough for them to kill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] o0evillusion0o@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You mean like mice and rats? We got lots of them to spare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Strider@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago Also songbirds, reptiles, basically anything small enough for them to kill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strider@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago Also songbirds, reptiles, basically anything small enough for them to kill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago They murder so, so many birds. permalink fedilink source parent